KiloIndiaAlpha Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THumpre: Germanboy, ROFL... But I must ask, is that a Heavy Onager or a Light? Does it have a full combat load of rocks? What about Balistas? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You get the balistas after you've carried the onager. Germanboy, Do u like being in England? ------------------ Dulce Et Decorum Est Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THumpre Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KiloIndiaAlpha: You get the balistas after you've carried the onager. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Arrrrrggggggg(sound of balista dart smack Thumpre in the eye) ------------------ No matter where you go, there you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KiloIndiaAlpha: Germanboy, Do u like being in England? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I live in Coventry. ------------------ Andreas The powers of accurate perception are often called cynicism by those who do not possess them. (forgot who said it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrAlimantado Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 "quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by KiloIndiaAlpha: Germanboy, Do u like being in England? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I live in Coventry. ------------------ Andreas" That was not a proper answer to the question Dr A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 Well, it is if you are English and/or have ever been here. Swedes living in Colchester should just consider themselves lucky... Please note that all smilies on this iMac were volunteered for a Sarin experiment. ------------------ Andreas The powers of accurate perception are often called cynicism by those who do not possess them. (forgot who said it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 While we are on the topic of the Romans, they had a very interesting BBC programme about the bridge Caesar built during his German campaign in about 51BC. It crossed the Rhine at about Koblenz, and they built it in a few days. In the programme they tried to built a smaller bridge across the Tweed on the Scottish border, using only materials/tools available to the Romans then. They also said that the next time someone crossed the Rhine on a military bridge was at Remagen, almost exactly 2,000 years later. I always think of the late republican/early and mid-imperial Roman legions not as infantry, but as combat engineers with some assorted riff-raff from the provinces thrown in (Germanic cavalry, Balearic slingers etc.pp). ------------------ Andreas The powers of accurate perception are often called cynicism by those who do not possess them. (forgot who said it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark IV Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 Kinda think there was a Napoleonic bridging of the Rhine... I'll have to look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiloIndiaAlpha Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Germanboy: I live in Coventry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Andreas, Do you live in Coventry? ------------------ Dulce Et Decorum Est Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KiloIndiaAlpha: Andreas, Do you live in Coventry? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I do indeed old boy. Sent myself here about three years ago... Now ask me how I like it. Oh well, save the bandwith. The best thing about the place is that you get away from it fast - two minutes to the motorway, fifteen minutes to B'ham Airport, ten minutes to an intercity train station. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mark IV: Kinda think there was a Napoleonic bridging of the Rhine... I'll have to look it up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Why am I not surprised that they did not mention that on the BBC, if it occured. Please note that all smilies on this iMac were interned in a cold and lonely place due to the Smily invasion of Plomville. ------------------ Andreas The powers of accurate perception are often called cynicism by those who do not possess them. (forgot who said it) [This message has been edited by Germanboy (edited 06-07-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 Epee, The organization of a typical US army infrantry division in WW2: Rifle Squad: 12 men, 10 M1's, one BAR, one Springfield '03 (but in CM it's a Thompson SMG which is accurate since these were issued later in the war) Rifle Platoon: 3 Rifle squads and a small HQ with a 2LT, RTO (radio-telephone operator), I think a platoon Srg, and one other gopher-type guy Rifle company: 3 rifle platoons plus a heavy weapons platoon which had 3 MMG's and 3 60mm mortars. I think that the bazookas were part of this platoon also. Note that in combat the heavy weapons were often distributed among the rifle platoons as they are in CM. Company HQ with Captain, 1LT (XO), a bunch of other guys. Also a high-ranking sarge who was senior enlisted in the company (called "top-kick") Rifle Battalion: 3 rifle companies as above plus a heavy weapons company equiped with HMG's and 81 mm mortars which acted as the battalion's "private" artillery (that's why it comes in so much faster than the 105's in VoT) Much larger HQ with CO (usually LtCol), several Majors (one XO, one each for supply, intell, etc.) and a whole bunch of other dudes. Regiment: 3 battalions as above and a large HQ. Usually commanded by a Col. Also had attached anti-tank company with 9 AT guns and a mine-laying platoon. If you've been following along you'll see that a regiment consisted of 12 companies total - 9 rifle and 3 weapons. Each company had a unique letter in the regiment, skipping J to avoid confusion with I. So 1st battalion was companies A-D, 2nd E-H, and 3rd I,K-M. The last co in each battalion was the weapons co. Also, each regiment in the US army had (and has) a unique number. So any company can be identified by letter and regiment without needing to refer to battalion or division. Division: the smallest unit containing all major combat elements. Consisted of 3 Rifle regiments, artillery (3 105 Battalions and a 155 battalion), and a whole bunch of other stuff including medical, signals, engineers, etc. Most divisions also had a tank battalion attached. Usually commanded by a Major General (2 star). Brigades were units smaller than divisions which were either permanent or created as "ad-hoc" battle groups. In armored divisions the paractive was to have 3 HQ's below division called combat command A,B,C (usually seen as CCA etc.) and attach the battalions to each HQ as needed rather than permanently. In the modern US army I believe the regiment is only used as an administrative unit and no longer has a combat function. Rather the 10 or so batalions in each division are organized into brigade-sized units as needed. Brigades and combat commands are usually commanded by Brigadier General (one star). Well that's all I have time for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epée Posted June 8, 2000 Author Share Posted June 8, 2000 Thank you for your perfect answer DrD! Épée Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guachi Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 The CM editor will have TO&E for infantry units up to battalion level. This will include (I'm guessing): US: Infantry (with Rifle 44 and Rifle 45 squads) Engineer Airborne Glider Armored Infantry British: Infantry Engineer Airborne Glider German (bunches & bunches) Rifle 44 Rifle 45 Volksgrenadier Panzergrenadier (Armored) SS Panzergrenadier (Armored) Panzergrenadier (Motorized) SS Panzergrenadier (Motorized) Volksturm Gebirgsjaeger Sichering (Security) Battalion Escort Falschirmjaeger Engineer Battalions for all of the above units as well as recon battalions for many of these units I have actually seen a list of many of the German units that are included (Fionn posted a pic at TGN many months ago). I have some good TO&E sites bookmarked, but my computer with this info is packed away right now. The German Army went through bunches of reorganization (later ones mostly involving lowering manpower) so it is kind of tough to keep track of them all. The German Army and American Army, on the surface, were organized similarly. I supposes that there is only so much that one can do with a basic division... A typical German Rifle Platoon (1944 Type) had 3 x Rifle squads (9 men in CM) 1 x Plat Hq (4 men in CM) German Rifle Company (1944 Type) 3 x Rifle Platoons (31 men each) 1 x HMG section (the American equivalent is the weapons platoon with MGs and 60mm mortars) Both the Ami Co and the German Co had bazookas/panzerschrecks attached to them. It appears that the weapons of the German Company are 3 x MG42 HMGs and 3 x schrecks. Adding in a Platoon Hq would give a strength of 28 men. The American weapons platoon has 2 x .30cal MG, 1 x .50cal MG, 3 x 60mm mortars, and 3 x bazookas for a total strength of 46 (including Hq) 1 x Co Hq (6 men) German Infantry Battalion (1944 Type) 3 x Rifle Co 1 x Hv Wpn Co 1 x Bn Hq On the surface, this is identical to the American Infantry battalion, the difference is in the particular weapons. Also, Americn companies are identified with letters while the Germans identified them with ordinal numbers. The Hv Wpn Co had 6 x MG42 HMGs, 6 x 81mm mortars and (possibly) 4 x 120mm mortars and more schrecks (I'm not certain what CM has for theirs. We'll find out in a few weeks). The American Hv Wpn Co had 6 x 81mm mortars, 8 x .30cal HMGs, 7 x bazookas, 3 x .30 cal HMGs. In addition, the battalion Hq had 3 x 57mm AT guns for local AT defense. Later in the war German divisions reduced the number of infantry battalions in their divisions from nine to six (divided into two or three regiments) to conserve manpower. American and British divisions contained nine infantry battalions per division. A 1944 German Infantry regiment (three regiment/two battalion Type) 2 x Inf Bn 1 x Inf How Co 1 x AT Co The Inf How and AT Cos had traditional designations of 13th and 14th Co even if the regiment no longer had 14 Cos. Inf How Co 6 x 75mm IG 2 x 150mm IG I was surprised to find that VoT had a 150mm IG because that meant you had a really nice gift from Regt. Hq. AT Co I suppose that the AT Co had an actual TO&E but, frankly, from what I've seen the AT assets generally consisted of whatever was handy (50mm, 75mm, 76.2mm®) as well as a crud load of panzerschrecks. The likeliest configuration is a mixture of a few 75mm AT guns and a bunch of panzerschrecks. The AT Co of a VG regiment consisted of nothing but panzerschrecks! An American infantry regiment had their equivalents in a cannon Co and an AT Co. The purposes were the same as their German counterparts - local fire support. Cannon Co 6 x 105mm short-barreled cannons 12 x 57mm AT guns This actually gives the American inf Regt a pile of AT guns - 21 x 57mm guns in all. The end result is that your Intel officer better have all of this information on both your side and the opponents already done up. Comparing and contrasting strengths and weakness of units and the equipment used as well as the likelihood of 'extras' being attached to units. For instance, American Infantry divisions often had extra TD and tanks battalions attached to them to the point that they had as many tanks as a German tank division. A key for battalion commanders is to note what he is facing, especially if a battalion has goodies sent from above - whether they be from regt, div, or corps. If I'm facing a VG battalion (or Ami Inf Bn) and I start getting shelled by 150mm shells and a company of TDs or StuGs shows up, you can bet your ass I would be screaming to my CO! This is a good indication that the enemy this the sector is important. If I[/[] recieve those goodies, I know that my sector is important and that I better accomplish my task or my CO will be very displeased that I got all of these extras and still failed. If your Intel officers (especially at Corps and Army level) do not have this info ready for you by the time the CMMC begins, I'd want mine relieved of duty. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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