O/T Soviets and the CCCP

[Hamstersss]

I was listening to this collection of music from the republics of the Soviet Union (It's a French collection from back in the day) and I suddenly realized I have no idea about the following things:

1. Where did the term 'Soviet' originate?

2. What does CCCP stand for? (Please give phonetic as well as Cyrilic spellings)

Thanks guys.

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[Scarface]

cccp=ussr......or something of the sort..

[argie]

CCCR=SSSR

Sovietskaya Soyuz Socialistik Republik or something like that.

Ariel

[Mark IV]

I think the "Soyuz" comes first:

"Soyuz Sovietskaya Socialistka Republik"

Union-of Soviet (advisory councils)-Socialist-Republic. The "C" in Cyrillic has the "s" sound, and the "P" (for Republic) has an "r" sound.

Never let Greek monks make your alphabet for you, is the lesson here.

[Slapdragon]

Officially, a Soviet is a popularly elected legislative assembly that made up the local and national government of the Soviet Union. The term Soviet arises from a concept in Marxist dialectic that society should be open to critique by the person who truly controlled labour. This, a Soviet body was a body of leaders of labour.

In practice this system was not fully implemented, and since membership in the party was generally required to participate in a Soviet council, the government form became more restrictive than the Czarist predecessar, although generally less corrupt. With the rise of Charismatic leadership in the form of Stalin the Soviet system became a puppet of the party, although near the end of the Soviet Union there was a return to a legislative Soviet system.

[crossfire]

Soyuz Sovietskih Socialisticiskih Republik

This one is correct unlike the ones above which sound like American propaganda broadcast

For some reason people belive that "Sovietskaya" must be in there - thats a singular term...

[Supertanker]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crossfire:

This one is correct unlike the ones above which sound like American propaganda broadcast

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You're all wrong. People always forget that the term is mostly Canadian. For example, CCCP stands for Canadian Christian Concert Page: http://www.freenet.carleton.ca/~eb281/cccp.html . In certain situations, it might stand for Canadian College of Clinical Pharmacy instead: http://www3.sympatico.ca/cccp/ .

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[Daveman]

Oooh... my 2 1/2 years of Russian in college is about to pay off

As noted above, CCCP is simply USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) in Cyrillic. The "C" is the Cyrillic letter for the "S" sound, while "P" is Cyrillic for "R". The Russian word for Union starts with an "S", hence the triple "C"s. (Early on, I was so focused on learning the alphabet I got a little confused when switching back to english... I wrote a brief paper for another class and all my "R"s came out "P"s... my professor thought I had lost it)

It's been awhile, but phonetically it goes something like:

Sah-yuz Sah-vyet-ski Sohts-i-a-lits-i-ski Res-poob-lik.

Hope this helps!

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“Fortune favors the brave" - Terence

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[gatpr]

the original soviets were committees formed around 1917 the revolution. cccp= central committee of the communist party.

[tss]

gatpr wrote:

the original soviets were committees formed around 1917 the revolution.

Actually, even earlier than that. Soviets were formed during the 1904-05 unrest that was caused by the Russo-Japanese war. I think that was the first large scale soviet formation but there were some isolated occurences even before.

- Tommi

[Slapdragon]

Soviets were formed earlier in other countries than Russia sometimes inside labor unions, and a classic "Soviet" althought not named such in Engle's factory. Even after the rise of Leninist Russia Soviets operated as a part of the "Internationale" labor movement in Western Countries.

1904-05 was though the first formation of "Soviets" that were actively called that, and which were recognizeable parts of the Marxist Communist movement.

[vimes]

Never let Greek monks make your alphabet for you, is the lesson here.

Hey now there, there be nothing wrong with the Greek monks or the alphabet. At least they made the grammar rules to go along with their alphabet, unlike some other languages that would remain unnamed for now.