patboivin Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 I know it's been discussed before, but I'm bringing it up again. I would like it if at least *some* vehicles could cross fords, it would come in handy sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 We're not just talking shallow water here. Riverbeds aren't paved, you know. David ------------------ There's a splinter in your eye, and it reads REACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hofbauer Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 but we are talking FORDs here. you know fords aren't exactly Mariana depths. any ford that a soldier can use for fording the river isn't so deep that some miltary vehicles couldn't cross erm ford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob/1 Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 Ya if those little men can cross fords why cant a tank well 9 times out of ten it would most likely get stuk any way and what if there was a stuka dive bomer over head! Rob ------------------ Check out my CM web page! www.geocities.com/robisme_ca/Combat1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rob/1: ...and what if there was a stuka dive bomer over head! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It would most likely be sent to the Great Beyond by any of the daily horde of Allied fighters in the air. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Johnson-<THC>- Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 fjords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 I'm a Dodge man myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertanker Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dittohead: I'm a Dodge man myself. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Dang, beat me to it! I was reading down the thread thinking, "I thought most of the deuce and a halfs were made by GMC, which is pretty close to Chevy, and so THEY shouldn't have a problem with streams..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboivin Posted August 25, 2000 Author Share Posted August 25, 2000 Shall I say I'm *tired* of these *Ford* jokes? heh heh. Fjord would be too deep. You need viking ships to cross those. ):^) I started this thread because I know the Germans at least sometimes outfitted Tiger tanks to cross rivers (don't know if it really worked, though, imagine if they got stuck mid-way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboivin Posted August 25, 2000 Author Share Posted August 25, 2000 and you know about the Beep, the amphibian version of the Jeep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeadams Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 Most fords across the size of river seen in CM should be crossable by most vehicles. In the mid-20th century they were still a fairly common man-made/modified feature that was a cheap alternative to building a bridge, usually with a smooth gravel bed that was quite capable of handling cars and commercial traffic. Quite a lot of country roads would cross small rivers via a ford so it would seem reasonable to allow at least lighter vehicles to cross; heavy or tracked might cross but would tend to destroy the gravel bed in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coe Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 Maybe the future CM version can have two types of fords, one that vehicles can slowly pass through (with a chance of getting stuck of course) and the others that only infantry can go through (with a chance of drowning?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pford Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by patboivin: I know it's been discussed before, but I'm bringing it up again. I would like it if at least *some* vehicles could cross fords, it would come in handy sometimes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> From personal experience, it is never a good idea to cross a Ford. pford [This message has been edited by pford (edited 08-25-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Johnson-<THC>- Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 don't forget cavarly!! We gonna need them on the eastern front right? How about this: it looks like an impassible river till you do recon along the banks, then a ford (if included in the scenario) becomes visible?! That could be great fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rollstoy Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 Thanks for the good laugh! You guys are really crazy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brer Pinkey Posted August 25, 2000 Share Posted August 25, 2000 I think that the problem of vehicular fords would be one of scale. I have never been to Europe and seen their local waterways, but around here the rivers that would show up in the CM mapscale are would NOT be fordable without preparation (of both the riverbed and the vehicle). After all, this terrain feature is a minimum of a 20 meter wide. I don't know of any viable fords in a 50 mile radius (and not being a 4WD fan I haven't even looked). The local physical restraints for fording are: deep riverbeds of soft sand and silt, combined with 2 meter or taller banks of structurally unsound sandy earth deposited on the surrounding floodplain; and, erosional channels through rocky ridges that can only be described in CM as 'rough' terrain. A note in the CM manual (describing the map editor I think?) mentioned modleing the drainage ditches alongside roads. Basically they are just too small to be modeled on the map. So! you can vicariously picture a small waterway (5 to 10 meters is small?) running across a map by placing fully conneted 'strings' of the following terrain types. a. rough b. fully wooded c. scattered trees d. tall pines e. brush f. marsh (my favorite by the way) (Oh! Well, gee. That's about anything that is not manmade... ). Natural fords for men afoot... anyone of them... and some great terrain features for area defence or infiltration depending on orientation. Natural fords for vehicles... brush and scattered trees. Some chance of bogging down, but not TOO bad. You want to put in a manmade/maintained ford? Well if it's a manmade ford there should be a road, just put in a road tile for option b. c. or d. above. The problem is you have to build the maps manually unless they alter the generating code . also you have to find a waterway path that does not 'run up hill'. Ah. This is great. Now I have a REAL excuse to play around with maps... Just as an afterthought. I think (flame freely if I am wrong) that most all fording tank designs required more than minimal preparation for the tank. I makes sence that the combat engineers might prepare a riverbed/bank with carpets of some type. After all the Brits had some tanks built to lay carpet over sandy beaches. And as an afterafterthought. If I remember my Kelly's Heros, they had one heck of a problem with bridges... ------------------ "What are we going to do tonight Brain?" "The same thing we do every night Pinkey... We're going to take over Europe!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hofbauer Posted August 26, 2000 Share Posted August 26, 2000 and what if there was a stuka dive bomer over head! Rob, we are talking FORDs here. Fords are obviously too shallow for dive bombers, most rivers are to shallow for em anyhow. g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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