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Guest Germanboy

Right, seeing that the game is about to come out and, as somebody rightly pointed out, will be delivered at vastly differing times all over the world, this might be the time to bring this up.

Assuming there will be no dedicated spoiler forum, could people posting spoilers to this board maybe do it in the following format for the topic-line:

*SPOILER* - Scenario #XX

and nothing else. I am sure that would be very much appreciated by those of us who look forward to playing scenarios double-blind. This would still make it possible for us to visit and participate in the forum (granted, some people might not think that is a good thing in my case), and it would enable discussions about scenarios once you have played them.

Also, if you post to a non-spoiler thread with information you think might be spoiling it for some people, put the same info at the head of your post and leave a lot of space below it.

Thanks in advance for those of you who do this. For people who needlessly and thoughtlessly post spoilers because they don't care, I will refuse to do PBEMs with them, and I will refuse ladder challenges from them, too, thus depriving them of easy victories.

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The powers of accurate perception are often called cynicism by those who do not possess them. (forgot who said it)

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YES!

I agree with that whole heartedly.

I do hope everyone will read that post and respect its intent.

Thanks Andreas

-tom w

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Also, if you post to a non-spoiler thread with information you think might be spoiling it for some people, put the same info at the head of your post and leave a lot of space below it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the text body of any spoiler post, you should also post "Spoiler!" followed by a lot of space. Some people read with the "Next Newest Topic" feature, which takes you right to the text of the next message. If it starts with "So, the 3 Panthers in Cursed Encounter..." then it's already too late.

By the beginning of next week you'll have to post this several times a day.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mark IV:

By the beginning of next week you'll have to post this several times a day.

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That's why I would love to have a different area on the forum for scenario/operations discussion.

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Andreas

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Yeah, listen to these guys...please.

Also, not just for sake of players who haven`t received their game yet, the SPOILER heading should be used at all times as even when we get our grubby hands on CM we won`t be able to play all the scenarios for some time.

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I have a cunning plan. Why not delay the dispatch of the game to North American customers for a week or two, while sending the European and Worldwide customers their copies immediately? Then everyone will get it at the same time. Problem solved. I'm sure our Trans-Atlantic friends won't mind waiting an extra week. wink.gif

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Another option to consider, this one deals specifically with Spoiler info buried deep within an otherwise harmless thread.

When such info is found without the warning, we could e-mail the first person on the thread and have them edit their post to include "Warning, spoiler info inside this thread"

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Speedy:

Just keeping this up near the top.

Hey Andreas how about a double blind when the game reaches the far corners of the Earth?

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You're on. I have to check scenario numbers to find one. Any preferences regarding place, side, time?

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Chilling thought for the day: There was a post not long ago (possibly a non-native English speaker) asking in all seriousness, "what's a spoiler?".

So just floating this thread back to the surface periodically may not be sufficient for those unfamiliar with our jargon.

I would search for it, but I'm in trouble with Maximus for CMing at work...

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Germanboy is absolutely right about this. PLEASE make sure you post

in the *title* of the thread a spoiler warning such as was indicated.

***SPOILER SCENARIO NUMBER XX***

And any discussions containing spoilers about that particular scenario

should be confined as much as possible to *only* that thread. If you

do mention something about a scenario in a thread that doesn't have

the warning in the title then PLEASE make sure you start the post out

with a big warning followed by a LARGE space so that people don't accidently

read a spoiler before they realize it.

Example:

*****SPOILER FOR SCENARIO NUMBER XX IS BELOW*****

I was sure surprised in scenario X when I ran into those panthers...

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Hmm, I'm not sure what is going on, I put a large number of spaces between

my example spoiler warning and the spoiler text but the forum edited them

out automatically. This is not good, we need to be able to put many empty lines

after our warnings. Maybe just put 1 character on each line, so the

forum won't delete the empty lines. I'm going to try using * for this

purpose and see if it works.

[This message has been edited by Lee (edited 06-13-2000).]

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Yep, it works. If you post spoiler info. in any thread that is not titled

with the spoiler heading (and please try to keep most spoiler discussion

limited to threads that have the warning right in the title) or you

post spoiler info about a scenario *other* than the one that is already

warned about in the thread title, then start your post off with a big

warning sign and use * or some other character on every empty line

so that the forum won't edit out the blank lines. By using this method

you can place a large number of empty lines that will seperate the

warning from the actual text containing the spoiler. I'd recommend at

least 20 such blank lines to give the reader time to spot the warning and

stop before he gets to the spoiler text.

In fact, it would be easier to just use a letter for the blank lines.

First hit enter 20 or 30 times for the big blank space, then go to the

first blank line and just start hitting any letter key once then the

down arrow to go to the next blank line then hit the same key again.

This will allow the poster to put one character on each blank line

very quickly and easily. I'll try it below.

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That was so fast and easy. smile.gif I hope it came out ok.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Speedy:

Andreas anythings fine, except for scenario 19 as Berli has reserved that in order to give me a thumping.

weeeeeee, up to the top we go again.

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Jolly good - once I get to my iMac I give you a scenario number.

Oops, did I just put this one to the top again?

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Coming right up - and I would still like to have a spoiler forum here and I would suggest to people designing CM related webpages to have dedicated spoiler areas on them, that are easy to avoid.

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I have come to agree about the separate forum. However in the meantime (Steve and Charles ar hopefully occupied with more important things) I suggested the following in the other thread about this, and will repost here for maximum exposure:

Why not draft a standard notice here and now, with a suitably grabby headline, that we can easily send back to the top?

Like:

"WARGAMERS PLEASE READ!!!

"PLEASE do NOT post any specific scenario information to this board without clearly labeling BOTH the message header AND the beginning of your text as SPOILER INFORMATION!

"A 'spoiler' is anything which gives away information about a scenario that no honorable wargamer would want to know in advance.

"Many of us are playing "blind" Combat Mission scenarios for the first time, and do not wish to accidentally get any foreknowledge of enemy forces.

"We welcome your questions and comments, but if you wish to talk about specific scenarios, PLEASE put "SPOILER" somewhere in the message header (its title), and put "SPOILER" followed by several lines of empty text in the first line of the actual message. Use the X and Enter keys to create extra lines. For example:

"SPOILER INFORMATION FOLLOWS:

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'While assaulting the beach in blahblahblah (text body), etc.'

"Combat Mission has created a very dedicated and honorable online community and this board is its focus. We welcome you to our lives and our game and APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION."

Something along those lines, edits or suggestions welcome. Once it's created, any of us could send it back to the top with a keystroke.

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I think that the spoiler danger will be less pronounced with the multitude of scenarios and random battles provided by the full version.

With the two scenarios of the Gold Demo, of course everybody know instantly which scenario general questions about equipment, bunkers, etc. to relate to. When there are 40 scenarios and somebody asks "can my Jagdtiger shoot through houses" then no one will know in which scenario there will be a Jagdtiger.

As with the Gold Demo, the only possibility for new equipment to appear was in VoT. So this is were basically the fear of spoiling originated.

I, personally, do not want to have SPOILER written all over the board! I mean if you do not want to be "spoiled", just do not read the board - it is all up to you!

Regards, Thomm

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rollstoy:

I, personally, do not want to have SPOILER written all over the board! I mean if you do not want to be "spoiled", just do not read the board - it is all up to you!

Regards, Thomm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously I and many others on the board don't agree with that view. And while I agree that there are many scenarios and operations, there will be people who do not just post the info as you state it but will put the whole scenario name in it. We have seen that happen with VoT, and it will happen again. And the board is for discussion about many aspects of the game, which we would then be locked out of. That seems hardly fair to me.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rollstoy:

I, personally, do not want to have SPOILER written all over the board! I mean if you do not want to be "spoiled", just do not read the board - it is all up to you!

Regards, Thomm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, to a certain extent, but what about the person who has a graphics problem and needs advice, or is looking for a PBEM opponent.

It's all too common to have spoiler info deep inside a thread. I remember reading a thread that started with something like "Help, my graphics suck" and 4 posts later another one had "well, my computer is so powerful, the Panther almost looks real", and just like that, dozens of blind matches (mine included) were ruined frown.gif

I suggest to reserve a select few scenarios for blind matches with some friends and then just disappear off this board.

It might not be fun, but abstinence is the only way to be sure you won't get screwed wink.gif

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Sadly, Sabot may be right. There are most likely too many absent minded

people on this board to avoid messing up now and then. The only way to be

sure is to not read the board. But if players will just have some

*consideration* for others I think we can keep spoiler mistakes to a

minimum. Just follow the guidlines listed above and we can keep the

problem under control. Don't forget, as more and more players play more

scenarios they will be able to read more and more posts that have the

warning in the title because they have already played that scenario.

Rollstoy: There is no negative affect on you. If you don't mind reading

all the spoiler threads with warnings in the title, then go right ahead.

But the rest of us that want to play nothing but blind scenarios should be

given fair and adequate warning. That is only right.

Also, I suggest that all players keep a list of scenarios they have

played so they can easily tell a PBEM opponent which blind scenarios

they still have to pick from. smile.gif

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