Gen. Sosaboski Posted March 6, 2000 Author Share Posted March 6, 2000 Thank you Steve! From what I gather, I think a mortar round immobilized the Sherman, due to the fact that a mortar team DID have LOS to the "Ronson Lighter" and there were no infantry teams near the tank . These guys are incredible, aren't they? ------------------ Sosabowski, 1st Pol. Abn. Yes, I know my name is spelled wrong as a member! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guachi Posted March 6, 2000 Share Posted March 6, 2000 As the game in which I claim the sniper took out the Sherman's main gun is soon to be an AAR (as soon as I finish up my summation at the end) you can all see for yourself. As far as I can tell, the only units that could see the tank were the sniper, Company HQ, and an MG42. The tank was targeted by the sniper. The sniper fired at 39 seconds into the turn. Until this point, no enemy units in the vicinity had fired anything the entire game. The closest enemy unit was at least 100m away. No fausts were fired. No grenades thrown. I've gone over this dozens of times from both sides and have no idea what happened. The INSTANT the bullet hits the tank the commander buttons and the gun is damaged. I wouldn't be surprised if there was another explanation, I just don't know what it is. This happened months ago and it didn't really bother me but since the topic was brought up... Jason Just checked a few things. The only German units that had LOS to the tank were the sniper and Company HQ 170m away. also, it wasn't a stray artillery round as my FO hadn't started firing yet. [This message has been edited by guachi (edited 03-05-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted March 7, 2000 Share Posted March 7, 2000 I think Sosabowski was right thinking the sniper immobilized the tank. I'm playing a PBEM game in Riesberg right now (as Axis), and my sniper did exactly the same to an allied tank. It was during the first turn, none of my other units had LOS to the tank (sitting at the end of the road), and the tank was immobilized exactly the same moment the bullet fired by my sharpshooter hit it. It doesn't look like a crew member kill either, because the tank is not buttoned anymore. Just my 2 cents, Dschugaschwili Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted March 7, 2000 Share Posted March 7, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I've gone over this dozens of times from both sides and have no idea what happened. The INSTANT the bullet hits the tank the commander buttons and the gun is damaged. I wouldn't be surprised if there was another explanation, I just don't know what it is<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I would also be pleased to know the explanation In my game there was no faust at range, no AT gun with LOS, etc... I heard a sniper firing and my TC was dead, my gun damaged. I just can't see what happened... If it is FOW then it really is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s bakker Posted March 7, 2000 Share Posted March 7, 2000 Dschugaschwili said: ___________________________________________ I'm playing a PBEM game in Riesberg right now (as Axis), and my sniper did exactly the same to an allied tank. It was during the first turn, none of my other units had LOS to the tank (sitting at the end of the road), and the tank was immobilized exactly the same moment the bullet fired by my sharpshooter hit it. ____________________________________________ Since i'm Dschugaschwili's mysterious PBEM opponent i'll put my 2 cents in too .... I indeed was stunned to see my sherman stop and button up after a loud 'clank' in the middle of the road. I replayed the movie several times and saw no impact, no explosion, no crewmember is injured etc. I suspected it was the sniper but i had no proof until Dschugaschwili posted his view ..... I think a beta tester or BTS should have a look at it and Dschugaschwili and i can supply the corresponding PBEM files. It looks like a funny bug to me. Grtz S bakker. PS: maybe Oswald was hired by the Germans in WOII and used his famous 'magic bullets' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted March 7, 2000 Share Posted March 7, 2000 Hey! You were not supposed to read this, Stefan! (no smilies so you don't know if he was in the building you've shelled last turn ) Actually, at first I thought the sharpshooter had shot the tank driver, but seeing the tank unbutton later was a rather strange experience. Dschugaschwili Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted March 7, 2000 Share Posted March 7, 2000 If the tank buttoned up with no damage to either the crew or the vehicle, then it probably was the Sharpshooter. As for the sound that was heard, this is difficult to say from here what it was. We have lots of "clanks", "clunks", and "carangs" so who knows unless they hear it I really don't think there is a bug here. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted March 7, 2000 Share Posted March 7, 2000 How does a sharpshooter immobilize a tank? I thought he should be primaryly a anti-person "weapon". If he shot the driver, that would be ok, but without crew casualties? Dschugaschwili Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted March 7, 2000 Share Posted March 7, 2000 Send me the TWO movie files of that turn along with passwords and I'll look at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s bakker Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 Well Fionn, i posted the movie (allied) to you at your e-mail adres at the gamers.net and understood that dschugaschwili will do the same this very day.... I'm anxiously awaiting your conclusion ... Grtz S Bakker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 Well, it does look like a bug.. I sent you both an email about it. You should have said that the immobilisation occured on Turn 1 on the road.. I bet Steve was thinking, same as I, that the tank was being targetted by many units and on open ground (where it could be coincidence it was fired on and immobilised by terrain at the same time). It's the first time I've ever seen anything like that happen from a sharpshooter. Heavy MGs can sometimes (but very, very rarely) immobilise a tank by chewing up the suspension system (I have a picture of a HMG42 team which is credited with killing a Sherman LOL ) but I don't think sharpshooters are intended to do likewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s bakker Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 T(h)anks for the feedback. I still have the receipt of the sherman, being brand new and all. Do you think the factory will give me a new one if i could prove it broke down after being hit by a single bullet ? They sure don't make them as they used to. Grtz S Bakker PS: Maybe this sniper (oh, excuse me, 'sharpshooter') is a candidate for the heroes corner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 Fionn: Didn't I say no other unit had LOS to the tank? Ok, perhaps it was a little less specific than it could have been. S Bakker: Heroes Corner? Only if he survives to receive his medal Dschugaschwili Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fionn: Well, it does look like a bug.. I sent you both an email about it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ok, I've sent the file in. Most likely the game decided that I should have one lucky shot too, seeing what S Bakkers other Sherman(s) did to my Flak. Dschugaschwili Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ol' Blood & Guts Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BillWood: I heard that clunk sound, played the turn back and saw a SMG squad toss a grenade that landed squarely under my tank. Boom! Clunk! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I had that happen in Reisberg once. I had one of my Shermans in town, well, several of them were. So I drove that Sherman next to one of the rear buildings where a German squad tossed a grenade under the tank and "Boom"--knocked it out! ------------------ "Cry Woe...Destruction...Ruin and Decay. The worst is Death...and Death will have His day."--Gen. Chang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 OK, I can clear this all up. I finally bugged Charles for an answer and it came back... bug in Beta Demo, fixed months ago. This is one of the many bugs Charles found on his own and simply fixed it. One of the cool things about Charles is that he finds *and* fixes his own bugs. I've worked with many programmers, and I have to say this is not the norm So it looks like Charles nabbed it before any of the testers found it, but since you all are playing the same build from many months ago they have cropped up. All the explanations I gave before are still plausible, but there certainly is one case where the sharpshooter will in fact immobilize the Sherman (again, bug in Beta Demo only). Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Sosaboski Posted March 9, 2000 Author Share Posted March 9, 2000 YES! I am vindicated! ------------------ Sosabowski, 1st Pol. Abn. Yes, I know my name is spelled wrong as a member! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted March 9, 2000 Share Posted March 9, 2000 Thanks for the clarification, Steve. I still don't mind my sharpshooter immobilizing the tank. Dschugaschwili Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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