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    Armata soon to be in service.

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

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    The question was about why some Russians make wild statements about the balance of tank power. Before Black Eagle was officially tossed out it was a pretty sure bet that anytime anybody said how good an Abrams is someone (perhaps a teenager) would come out and say how the Black Eagle would soon make the Abrams look like junk. You can probably still find the YouTube videos and URLs to such blatant day dreaming.

    Those of us who were bombarded by such claims, fantasy websites, fantasy videos, etc. can't help but keep them in mind this time around. Credibility is established over time, but so is a lack of credibility.

    Steve

     

    That was then, now is now. Bringing Black Eagle up in a procurement discussion is as good as doing so for G11.

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    Armata soon to be in service.

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

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    Black Eagle was never a project requested or desired by our MoD, why it comes up in discussions about procurement and armed service is beyond me. PAK-TA hype is something that originated less than 30 days ago, nothing concrete was presented, with 2024 as a deadline being very far away. If anything it is a confirmation that PAK-DA is a live project that has branched out to being a transporter as well. 

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    t90 vs Abrams(test1: open field,armour)

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

    Posted · Edited by BTR

    Here's an overwiew of most recent conventional conflict involving a lot of T-72's.

     

    Georgian side:

     

    In 2008 all the T-72(AV/B)'s had K-1, out of total 65 georgian tanks, 15 were destroyed in combat, 20 were detonated after the conflict and 30 were taken as trophies. Out of the 15 tanks lost in combat five had their turret removed. 1 due to airstrike, 1 due to being abandoned and then detonated from inside, 3 due to RPG hits.

     

    Russian side:

     

    A total of three tanks were lost. T-72B(M) armed with K-5 Era which expended all of its amunition and was abandoned after being damaged by and RPG (no turret loss). T-62M, damaged by an RPG - turret kept (perhaps not relevant to this). T-72B (K-1 ERA), ambushed and struck by an RPG which cased ammo detonation. 

     

    All in all, out of all 17 combat lost tanks only 4 lost their turret in direct combat. https://sites.google.com/site/afivedaywar/Home/rutanklosses

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    Armata soon to be in service.

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

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    It does.  Especially if that trait is especially factored into the planned deployment of the design.  Its a big difference for the exact reason you mentioned :P

     

    Sorry for the OT.

    It's a big difference in design filosophy which is reflected throughout the actual vehicle. 4 Degrees don't make a difference. 

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