massive1974
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Yes, of the units fighting in the core of the Bagration fight we also don't have Luftwaffe Field Divisions. We also don't have LW HG PzDiv or SS Divisions which played prominent roles in the fighting outside of Warsaw. Nor do we have Romanian divisions that were a part of the follow up operations that lead to Romania being knocked out of the war. And let's not forget about the Finns, because they won't let us
There's just too much stuff to do all at once. Which is why the Eastern Front is both exciting for military historians and at the same time depressing for us game developers
Steve
Okay, I get it. Yes, I know, it's a tough assignment but that's why you're the best of the best in this field, right?
As I understand now, you don't exclude the possibility of adding these units at a later stage...or do you? In CMBB you had them all, Finns, Romanians, Hungarians that's the only reason why I'm asking.
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True that. Okay.
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Hm, I can't see how they wouldn't appear in the initial release. They were in action by the end of June already. But anyways, would be nice to have some detail on how/when the Germans' allies appear in the game.
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I'm definitely not going to march until the download only option is not up.
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Are they gonna be around in the game? Saw a lot of fighting around Prypjat and back all the way to Warsaw.
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March. From opening of preorders til release is usually around six weeks.
Thanks man.
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Yo! Any word on a release date? Or release week? Or month?
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So when is it released?
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So it's CMZA next.
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There has been considerable talk over the years, and BFC has consistently squelched the idea. That doesn't mean it would never, ever happen, but you can rest assured that at this point it is 99% unlikely.
Michael
Thanks. Pity though...would be a lot of fun. I wonder what the resistance against the idea is all about.
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can anyone tell me if there ever was talk of a pacific theatre setting for CM?
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Interesting that single words are triggering such a reaction in you. Do you know that this is similar to a Pawlowian Dog and not the behavour of a free, open minded man that demands to talk about everything freely?
Well, it's more like trying to discuss higher mathematics with someone who suddenly says: 2+2=555.
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Blonde blue-eyed people are inbred? Do I hear racism?
Official communist postcard "Leaders of the Proletarian Revolution".
As historically educated I guess you know them?
And would you say, that a Politburo with around 90% jews is jewish?
Try to read good books, for example Alexander Solshenizyn, and consume less brainwashing-media then you would understand better, what is going on in the world. Instead of calling for censorship, and being an enemy of free speech, as soon as it is NOT against "blonde blue-eyed" people, you could discuss the facts!
Nothing to discuss at this stage unfortunately. "Jewish Bolshevism" did it for me. That in itself speaks volumes. What you call facts and what I call facts are light-years apart.
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Can anyone with his right mind really believe, that if Hitler would have won the war, London, Paris, Moscow or any other EUROPEAN city would look like this today?
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If Hitler won the war there would be no freaking London, Paris, Moscow. You'd be conversing with your inbred blonde blue-eyed Arian buddies on the internet, not us.
And what the **** exactly do you mean by "Jewish Bolshevism"?????? Who is moderating this forum anyway?????????
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massive1974,
you need to read up on the WW2 Pacific and specifically the behaviour of the Japanese if you think that the Germans were the big racist baddies of WW2.
The behaviour of Japanese combat and garrison units makes most SS units look like a hippie commune. The Japanese had a deeply entrenched racism towards, well, everyone else. They murdered fellow Asians by the millions without needing to industrialize the process.
Did the Japanese have official guidelines, policies for the extermination of races or peoples? Did their government consciously organize and systematically perpetrate these crimes? Did they make and enforce racial laws anywhere? Was their end-goal the annihilation of certain races and peoples either in their own society or around the world? I think the answer to these questions is no, while in the case of Nazi Germany, it's yes.
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For example, I often hear people make snide comments about the US in Iraq and the 'small' amount of war dead. This is a deceptive statistic, for one we have an excellent casualty evacuation system, and so if you're not KIA immediately chances are you're going to make it. We DO have A LOT of WIA. Still - if you're one of the casualties I'm sure the Iraq war felt just as serious and intense as war felt to grunts in Vietnam, or soldiers in WW2.
I totally agree with this point. The Iraq war is the best example of how intense a conflict can be and yet you couldn't tell by the number of dead because of advanced casevac and medevac. And still, look at the number of suicides after they get home. This is speculation territory but I think it's no accident that the number of survivable injuries increased together with the number of suicides. Take the joint NFL- Army studies, I think they're still ongoing and they seem to focus on the huge number of survivable concussions injuries from IEDs etc whose long-term effects might lead to suicides.
But I have to disagree a little bit on your first point. I think there was a fundamental difference between the racist ideology of the Nazis versus the class-based ideology of the Soviets. That's the reason why you don't see large-scale extermination by the Soviets after or during the war.
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In the East the fighting obviously was savage. We all know that. And it is silly to compare the two, but I responding to a silly post in the first place. But now the arguments been made prove me wrong - on a similar level show me an example thats similar on the East? MAYBE you could say Stalingrad for 62nd Army, but even then it became apparent the situation wasn't as hopeless as it seemed and they weren't defending an island with no way off.
My first post was not meant to be a historically accurate assessment of the comparative percentages of prisoners taken in the East or the Pacific and thereby to draw far reaching conclusions as to which front was tougher or not. It was a joke about why I prefer the Eastern front setting for the CM games.
Now that it's gotten all so serious, I still don't claim this to be a basis of comparison yet I think compare we can. But not numbers of prisoners. If anything, ideologies and goals (or ideological goals) are a better indicator of how each of these environments were. In the East, Germany was fighting a war of annihilation against Bolshevism and races they regarded as subhuman (Slavs, Jews, etc.). That and the fact that the Soviets wouldn’t give up so easily gives you the mindset with which they fought and the corner in which the Soviets were backed into. They might have given themselves up in great (actually huge) numbers initially but what happened to them? They died by the millions in German captivity (3.3 to 3.5 million, about 60% of all Soviet POWs). How's that for tough?
In the Pacific we obviously have a totally different situation and ideologies. But you can't say that either side was out to totally annihilate any trace of the other and made an official policy of this.
I know that this is way beyond the scope of the game itself and of the strictly military strategy level but for history, I think it's relevant.
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LOL.
Yes, I'm joking. That was just my dramatic entrance.
But I have to say that my preference for this front of all the the CM fronts stems from this knowledge that I bring in from my readings: that it was a pretty tough environment to be in, as tough as the Pacific, I mean tougher. With all the racist ideology and ****. This was an ideological war of annihilation unlike the one in the West. But I'm only repeating common knowledge so...
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Hiya all. so this is the EF thread. Good.
I like Eastern Front cause nobody took no prisoners.
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Eastern Front, yeeeeeea, the best front of all, yeeeea. I'm back.
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Is anyone reading reviews these days at all? I stopped reading reviews, uh, must be 10 years ago
Anyway, being a self-publisher we do not require any huge hype before release or day one reviews. Not having a huge PR staff, in fact, would make this impossible anyway. So review copies are going out to reviewers around and AFTER the release. You should start seeing some in the coming days, no doubt.
Martin
But wouldn't it be nice to have a couple of bows from that direction as well?
I think people do read reviews. the informed customer does
The informed customer is a thinking customer, precisely your target audience, isn't it? Extra publicity never hurts.I wasn't aware though how the process went though so now that you've explained it, I quit worrying. I'm sure we'll see a couple of stellar ones.
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Has anyone seen any around? I'm just aching to have it in print (or online or whatever) that I'm actually playing the Wargame of the Century.
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Well, I had an awesome moment the other day, I can't find the thread with awesome moments so I'll just jot it down here.
Carbide Carbide map, Realtime, almost an hour into the map, I finally managed to cross the lefternmost bridge with some shot up infantry that I put in the houses near the bridge (playing US side) and two tanks with which I crept up on two Stugs in the bocage. With a lot of reloads and for at least half an hour I tried to take out the Stugs with the tanks then with some engineers with AT charges, nothing worked. I just couldn't find and angle. So finally I gave up, left the four tanks hiding in the bushes and went over to the other side of the map to work on the other bridge.
About 15 minutes later I hear a loud bang from the back. Whatta? I pan back to the bridge that I've already taken and I see one of the Stugs burning up, crew bailing out and screaming in German. Jeesus. I never gave an order for them to keep on trying or anything I just left it to that, no cover arc, nothing.... The Stug was in the same place I saw it last so they didn't move.... One of the Shermans crews FIGURED IT OUT and they blasted the Stug out of the Bocange just like that. I mean....are these guys ALIVE in my PC and THINKING or WHAT?????? it was creepy. I almost kissed them, they were just too little and too flat.
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The manual IS included in the full version, including the download version. It installs together with the game, and there are links to it on your desktop (if you choose to allow desktop links), in your Program Group, and in the game directory itself. Two versions of the manual are included, a pretty version (like the hardgoods printed version), and a print-friendly version without background.
thanks again
The informed customer is a thinking customer, precisely your target audience, isn't it? Extra publicity never hurts.
Hungarian 1st Cav Division?
in Combat Mission Red Thunder
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Nope, I'd be happy with the tanks they used: Turán I and Turán II (how imaginative.)