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http://www.battlefield.ru/is2_1.html Kibunka -hahahaha "Кубинка"-Kubinka , but not kibunka.

some more wallpapers: http://www.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/wallpapers/pz3_1024.jpg http://www.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/wallpapers/tiger_1024.jpg http://www.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/wallpapers/pant_1024.jpg some humor: http://www.armor.kiev.ua/cgi-bin/imgshow.cgi?txt/iv02.jpg http://www.armor.kiev.ua/cgi-bin/imgshow.cgi?txt/iv01.jpg http://www.armor.kiev.ua/cgi-bin/imgshow.cgi?txt/iv03.jpg

http://www.gamenavigator.ru/pub/gallery/11648.jpg http://geocities.com/craziaa/tigerwall.jpg (both lead to same pic) manchildstein II don't know. It's from "opration tiger hunt" pc game.

Found this, maybe you'll like it.

First of all not cut off but taken prison and then escaped.If you were cut off but managed to escape and rejoin the main group/or escaped lat's say a battalion they weren't shot.Shot were whose who reatreted without hicommanders orders.Like some panzers advance and you leave your possition (you have nothing to kill pz. whith), it was considered as cowards, NOTE that wasn't average and most of russians fought till death.

I undearstand that there are weak points in armor etc. Still i didn't posted it because Panther won (i just described situation) But still what about armor? is differnce in 10 degree so huge? I'll run some more tests,just thought that someone had such expirience and can brighten it.

Su-85M like su-100 has a 75/50 front upper hull armor (dark green),Panther A(early) has a 83/55 upper and 63/55 lower front full armor,upper hull is dark blue, and lower dark green , but darker than Su.I undearstand that SU-85M/100 armor should be at least as Panthers lower hull,because it has 50 to 55 degree, but 75 to 63 mm of armor(a stupid question why colors differ?) or even little less than Panthers upper hull, but in game at range of 1080 SU-100 vs Panther loses ,SU gets partial penetration front upper hull ,Panther gets a front turret hit,(Su is shoked and Panther isn't) the secord hit from Panther and SU is knocked out.Am i missing something?

Spook: Yes you are right with than you need tanks and fast that some qualities will "fall".Still i know who to ask about russian optics on tanks/assault guns/tank destoyers and than i'll get the answer i'll tell the whole world .

Exactly why are they going to be equal. It could be established that a Panzer IID had the sort of sights that gave it "good optics." Can you establish exactly what sort of sights? Just because it is a later design, in a different country does not mean it is better. WWB</font>

If CM creators plan to change game aspects (optics, armor) and need help sure i'll be glad to. But noe a P IId has good optics and from my sorces Till 1939 wermacht has received 143 tanks of updatings D and Е.So if you tale t-34/85 (43) or SU/ISU -152 only by logics they must have equal optics to P II.

50 to 55 degree,

Su-85M like su-100 has a 75/50 front upper hull armor (dark green),Panther A(early) has a 83/55 upper and 63/55 lower front full armor,upper hull is dark blue, and lower dark green , but darker than Su.I undearstand that SU-85M/100 armor should be at least as Panthers lower hull,because it has 50 to 65 degree, but 75 to 63 mm of armor(a stupid question why colors differ?) or even little less than Panthers upper hull, but in game at range of 1080 SU-100 vs Panther loses ,SU gets partial penetration front upper hull ,Panther gets a front turret hit,(Su is shoked and Panther isn't) the secord hit from Panther and SU is knocked out.Am i missing something?

Spook i never sayd that all Soviet forses there equal to german in combat expirience,yes they suffered grate losses, they desperatly needed men, casualties were inormous.But they had their elite too, by the begining and with continuing of war their numbers started to grow. Reason: even in late years of war in scenarious if you encounter KT it'll be at least regular.But elite crews would not abbandon their tank just because Soviet attack started, russians encounted many abandont Panther (i don't believe it that they broke and crews desided not to take chance), with field doc. on it. And what i see for soviets ...(except for some scenarious/battles) if they get a regular or veteran tank (1 of 4)it's grate.

There did they search? on yahoo? It doesn't take too much to contack experts in Russia thought inet (www.armor.kiev.ua for excample),they can provide with that information (there are alot of other places and people who know about whose thing just because it is their jobs).It couldn't be SHORT. Do you guys really believe that russian did'n have veteran soldiers/crews/pilots by the begginig of war? (by mid/late there were plenty)Germans fought in Europe before attacking Soviet Union right:D ? They got their expirience, and what russian slept this time? What do you know about "Халхин-Гол"? Another thing that german attack was perfectly planed and prepared, and german e..e..e spec.forces have arrived before the attack descised and cut off communications or just "took out" russian officers (in many places).In Ukraine was a pro-fashist community, whitch members with the beggining of Barbarrosa simply attacked soviet officers in cities.

It started with a simple question Then it got game balance, historic accuracy, etc. Now it's time for air power, and the one who started this post still hasn't got the answer

If it's still a mistory i used Tiger just as excample (the same about a Hurricane),it was the first thing witch came to my head.

Came Leutnant Hortlund and everything started to make sence. I sad it was EASY and it happened, i didn't stop to count them.It is easier to take a Tiger with ok bombs/rockets than to attack it with shermans, and if you have air superiority, "you" probably still gona attack tigers with shermans. So all allied bombers/ground attack planes bombem/atacked a halftruck, i don't care, all i'm saying that if one force has that superiority (air) it'll use it.So did Germans in Russia especialy in early years.And it playd a big roll in german operations.

I meant ground attack planet (Hurricane was just as excample)

Don't forget that germans had total air superiority, and more than 70% of russiam 34's, kv's there destroyed by planes.German planes were chasing single trucks and soldiers.What to talk about advansing/moving armor. Same thing was for usa/britain in late war years, german Tigers and Panthers were taken out by planes.It wasn't hard to take out a tiger with a Hurricane for excample.

Soddball i did, i noticed than and T III (short) is "useless" agains t-34 front armor.But in mid/late war years s firefite between T-34/85 whicth has an ap (a large HE round) and T IV, 34 hits a T IV front turret, says smth. like a penetration and gets a hit from T IV in front and "dies". IS-2 and tiger there fiting over 1076 meters and IS-2 got a hit in front upper full whitch is 105/30 (model 44, early), in Tiger "properties" says it has a 101/30 penetration at this range and that was it for IS, i replayd it and IS-2 got the first shot (front upper hull) penetration (IS-2 136/0 penetration level) and nothing Tiger was still alive (he got my IS-2) than drove around chasing infantry. Landser.I saw that "death clock" it was over 650 meters T IV got taken out by ZiS-2 and it was still "alive" but ZiS started shooting at another tank and only in the end of turn T IV got a knoked out sine, but between Panther and two T-34/85 there less than 100 meters, it couldn't be it.German tank too often go just bailing out, while russian tank just get knoked out imediatly. Momishuli. The same thing i'm saying, it's says that for moving tank it's hurder to score a hit.And whtat i see : A Tiger reverses , at the same moment two of mine t-34/85 one from left another right shoot at him, miss.Tiger (moving) SLOWLY turns turrent in left shoots (knokes out one 34), than SLOWLY to right (knockes out another 34). Besides what is it with no optics for russian tanks/assaultguns/tank destroyers ? I agree Germans had better optics, but optics had russians too.For exsample ISU-152 had telescopic sight СТ-10 and панорамой Герца (sorry i don't know how to translate this) which provided firing as with a straight line , and from the closed positions.Isu-152 wal also knowen as Soviet "Зверобой" and German "Dosenoffner". It's something strange than russian crack ISU-122 mises from 150 m. (target : T-IV (green)) and T-IV scores a hit on ISU.(T-IV was ambushed, ISU was at 90 degrees to him (side hul)). If you want visit www.armor.kiev.ua (it's in russian)

Situation : i noticed that german tank take out russians with one shot, why? One hit and knocked out. Tiger vs IS-2 (44 early): one shot front upper hull penetration and that's it, while if IS-2 shots and gets a hit noooo, shot more.A lot this happens with PANTHERS which get side hull penetrations from t-34/85 and noooo you must hit them several times and only then while if a t-34/85 gets a single hit that's it for him.Same thing with Panzer IV vs t-34/85, my tank gets a single penetration (doesn't matter there) and gets knoked out.Maybe i am doing something wrong but it irritates me than a Panther gets a front turret penetration (less than 90 meters) and a side hull from two t-34/85 , and nothing just turns turren takes one and than another with single shots.

I agree, but they could just move, why pretell you have to sneak on a minefield? I understand that they move slowly one after another, but "sneak" means that they "move hidden" from enemy units, not mines.Maybe in game it's simulated with the command "sneak",but i understood it difrently.

It doesn't makes sense: if they get fired from enemy MG's that would be right thing to do (hide/sneak), but they are on a MINEFIELD.It doen't matter if you step on a ap mine o you crouch on it, it still gonna go off.

Well maybe it's not now but not far away. So HAppy New Year everyone.