VladimirTarasov

It's up to you, you can play as the US if you'd like. I would like to keep it a realistic battle, no APS and that's about it. If you want to play as Ukraine sure thing. I'd rather play as redfor because I'm a dirty commie, but it wouldn't matter if I was Blufor either. Okay I'll PM you now.

I'm sick of repeating the same things over and over now. If you do not see any other illegal things other than the Crimean referendum then that's that arguing with you. Jesus Christ... Come save me! I voted for Putin but he's illegitimate because he won! Read my Estonia example where Russia intervening there is not justified by any thing, and if you'd remember there was a very intense hype up of Russia threating the Baltics. Again exaggerations, not more different than some things the Russian government says. Russia sold Alaska, there's no Russians there, the US is a completely legitimate government, nothing there for any threat to Russian people to take place. I don't get why you are bringing those totally irrelevent claims up, it has nothing to do with the way Russia reacted in Ukraine, and for what reasons. I'm sure in Crimea quite a few Russian people have been mugged so by your standards Russia should have annexed way before lol... Irony Okay sure. The US definitely cares but not in the way I was talking about. Harsh words, sanctions on behalf of the EU and US doesn't count as the world, but it is a considerably large population sure lol. So be it, if Russians must endure sanctions for another decade we'll take it.

I'd also agree with you however let's not forget that politicians can use this for PR on a variety of topics. In other cases, exaggerations and false claims. But of course Russia does try to influence whatever it can, same as other nations.

Fine thanks friend how about you? Looking for someone to shoot a CMBS match with on the weekend possibly if you're interested

There are Neo-Nazis in Russia, and they at some point were an issue before. However tough policies have since come into place. I dare a far right group to attack anyone around my town lol...

Our government in no way or form has ever officially supported Neo-Nazis. BTW aren't you what abouting?

Looking forward to this update!

You stay going by international law, or what say you, and look at what I'm trying to say through a narrow view. If Russia were to go to even Estonia to secure Russian rights in the region it is not justified. However Ukraine is a total different ball game. The hype of a Russian threat to baltics was put to shame after a while, but anyways beside that fact. Our Estonian neighbors have a democratic president which was legally elected. Russia has no justification in the regions, on top of that, Estonia has not abused Russians any where near the scale the Ukrainian crisis did. Anyways, I brought Estonia in as an example of what I've been getting at. I appreciate that you've been defending me it's nice not to have 5 plus people just aggressively type to you(Steve usually being the polite one), and ignore a bunch of what I've saying and refer to stuff like "Russia is now Nazi Germany" "steal a part of the shop" and have your whole points ignored. The largest point that I've been making is the legitimacy of the Ukrainian government after the violent ousting of Yanukovich. But of course people who like to curse at the Kremlin and shout off the wrongs that we have done, that I've acknowledged, ignore that Ukraine lost all control to random groups not just the people, to far right groups, who've demonized Russians in the country. But you know, all those claims are illegitimate, Russia cannot in response to the ousting of Yanukovich without the say of Russian people in Eastern Ukraine, cannot come in and secure Crimea and let a voting process happen, while securing the rights of the Crimean population no matter what was behind Russia taking Crimea, it is still very much justified. Let's look at videos like this first to show you what threat Russia came in against to secure the voting process: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/21/ukraine-shameful-attacks-on-wwii-veterans-were-organised-at-highest-level/ And many other very graphic links I can provide, however I will keep it clean. How can one think a government that bans anything Russian, and lets Neo-Nazi vermin attack elder world war 2 veterans, be considered legitimate by any circumstance? I would understand if this attack was purely on behalf of a bandit group, however the police do nothing against it. There are many other very violent cases, however I'm not sure if it would be breaking forum rules if I were to link it, it's very graphic and I'd rather not link my other examples. But again, thank you for calling out hypocrisy. Neither the conflict in Ukraine nor conflict in Iraq, can be compared to what Hitler has done on any scale. But to sanction Russia and scream in horror at what we've done by your claims, is so funny. Because and I will whatabout now: who will sanction other countries who actively without denial support illegitimate terrorist bandits, with a huge record of beheading, "jihadying" killing innocents, and breaking humanitarian rights. Don't act as if you have the moral high ground here, obviously these sanctions are perfect for the US's goal of hurting Russia. The US doesn't care in the first place about Ukraine, John McCain shaking hands with far right groups with single digit support in the nation can hint at this. Ehem....

Okay thats whay you can believe in, unlike hitler I dont hate anyone and I support a defensive role in the crisis. A legitimate voting process where majority voted to join Russia, if you dont believe go do some searches on the internet. So dont come to me with "OMG YOUR HITLER" demonization. Quite irrelevant.

What you want me to say we didn't break international laws? You can condemn us all you want and ignore every little event up to the Russian intervention if you'd like. You do know violent coupes are illegal by international law too? IF you will play with the rights of my people who've been living in your country for centuries I will defend them no matter what. There is no international law that can justify this other than morality. I'd also love to condem a bunch of countries for destroying the middle east. I'm sick of this attitude grow up and face the reality, Russia is not gonna let its people get abused like that.

@JUAN DEAG I'm not suggesting Ukrainians are Russians I'm suggesting we come from the same place, and obviously the Tsars have had horrible policies not only to Ukrainians but to everyone, let's not call it Russification but the evilness of Tsars, why do you think the communist revolution happened...

Of course you can interpet it that way instead of discuss in detail a true face of reality. You cannot use that and compare it to what happened in Ukraine, for many reasons I've listed. But anyways, lets use totally different analogies not pertaining to any similarity on the history of what happened in Ukraine. But go ahead run me by the stereo types.

You sound very hurt, you obviously are a very biased person. I'd hate to use offensive language on here, I'm trying very hard to be civil when I read stuff like this. Hmm, please study on Kievan-Rus. Don't make me go whatabout again! Russification has happened. just not to Ukrainians. That's like saying explain to me why conquered Native lands of the US in school are educated mainly in English. And even then are not comparable to why many Ukrainians speak Russian.

The Ukrainian region was influenced by many factors, just like the Turks of Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan, speaking varied versions of their language. they speak a varied version of slavic languages, in some areas we lose word connections with each other, in other terms compatibility. Also, majority of Ukrainians speak Russian. Any Ukrainian I know (including relatives if you'd consider them Ukrainian anyways) speak Russian, but this does not point to "Russification" there is a song called "Tachanka" very commie but it says "Эх, тачанка-киевлянка, наша гордость и краса, Украинская тачанка, все четыре колеса" Ukraine is apart of our history the same way we are for them. It is a shame because of politics regardless who is wrong who is right, we face hatred towards each other. I hope that Ukraine and Russia will once again open arms to each other after all this blood filled history passes.

This link you've provided shows the discontent of Ukrainians with Mr.Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk, and against the new system's court and what say you. I'd think the people now are more discontent with the Ukrainian economy than before with Mr. Yanukovich I don't like to dismiss polls, but I'd like to know alot of the factors ranging on how much people, and what region was asked this poll. However, it wouldn't be hard for me to believe this honestly. Not like the Ukrainian government before this new one was perfect. However, looking back speaking on behalf of my Ukrainian neighbors I'd say they were doing way better before. Again we'd have to look into detail. There are Chechens who hate Russia with all their guts, who've rebelled against Russian forces in wars. And there were loyalist Chechens who chose the Russian government side. I'd think you know that we'd have to look into many other factors. But I get the point you are putting across. Misunderstanding, or a goof off on my part. But Ukrainians definitely "were" apart of Russia. I'm by definition of Ukrainian descent, however I consider myself to be Russian historically I think of each other as the same. My point was that Russia has a sphere of influence in Ukraine, because we have a size-able force of Russian people, and Ukrainians who consider themselves "pro-Russia" and also we are obliged to support Russians there. We can argue that the Russian intervention caused deaths militarily then if it weren't to, and that fact is not deniable of course, but this does not justify one bit the hell ATO brought to the region. DPR/LPR obviously started off as a pure rebellion by the populace, later leading to Russian involvement. But again if we were to just look at the event with one side, it would not be correct to do so. I'm trying to point out why Russia is not bad in "saving" the last pro-Russian thing in the country. Ukraine did a radical 180 degree turn and we cannot deny this. They destroyed statues of Soviet heroes who've fought against Fascism the same way our US colleagues have. It is very apparent that the new system brought into Ukraine has many faults, mainly being a discriminatory system against Russians or things of Russian influence. If you'd like for me to elaborate on that I can. That is just a small piece of why I think it is not fair the Maidan revolution is not fair. Well I like to contribute the famine to bad management, the USSR obviously would not have gained anything from such a horrible act. It is very horrible that people had to die that way, unimaginable on my part. McCain is not the only one who's done things like this. The US government out right supported the ousting of the government in many ways, however I will not point fingers at anyone in particular, but I'd like to think even if you think it is justified Western nations did support the revolts. Svoboda isn't very popular however far right groups are not only limited to this party. There are many other groups that have done terrible acts in Ukraine, I won't blame the whole revolution for the things they've done, but what they did do justifies my view on the crisis. Sure the EU on paper could have "forced" Ukraine into higher standards, but just because a sizeable portion of the country was upset by what Yanukovich did does not make it right that the other sizeable portion was looked over. I don't think it was a balanced process, and the people who were upset had the spot light. I'd like to point out that even in Ukraine, the protests were looked at wrongly in quite a few cases. Especially when the protesters were violating laws. Berkut forces being burnt to a crisp because young Mikhail wants the Euro dream, he'd rather his country go into total disarray. The violence against the protests were justified in cases where government officials, and government sites were under threat. It is horrible 100 protesters had to die, but again we must not focus on only the protester's side. Putin is not corrupt to majority of Russians. But anyways this is not a productive part of our discussion. I believe he wrote the letter to the Russian government asking for restoring of constitutional order before he was ousted, Russia only intervened to land grab Crimea however. Selfish sure, but again Russian troops in Kiev where thousands of thousands of pro EU protesters are brutally hunting old government guys was not going to work out. Instead, the Russian government seized Crimea. Even Yanukovich was against this, but sadly no Russian soldier was going to change what happened in Kiev. One would be a fool to deny that the government did crack down on the protesters, but what led them to do so? If you remember, the protesters were throwing rocks and using bats hitting the Berkut police forces helmets, fighting them, in some cases bringing firearms. We also cannot deny that, I can elaborate on this if you'd please. Russian NGOs did provide aid to Donbas, even equipment for the Donbas militia was bought by Oligarchs or from peoples. But again, we can't deny the Russian government's involvement in the region to provide the necessary advisory and training and in some cases equipment to the Militia. United Nations can be arguably not needed, but they are needed. UN has many good sides to it. However, relying on the UN to get stuff done takes too long, and Russia went in for the initiative in securing Crimea. Correct I absolutely agree, however the way it was done is immoral and very corrupt. And only one side's case was taken into play. In no way is taking Crimea by popular vote, and supporting Russian rebellions in Donbas alive making us closer to world war 3. What is making us closer to world war 3 is you not releasing the modules for Combat Mission Black Sea. Jokes aside back to the seriousness of the topic without offending(hopefully) anyone, I've told you my case on why I think it is justified, but I'm not throwing your arguments into the trash, I actually give you credits in some of your arguments, but I also see that you are lopsidedly criticizing one side, and taking input only from the new Ukrainian government, which leads to some bias views. I won't deny I have had quite a few bias looks before and I probably still do sometimes. But there are many things wrong about the revolution in Ukraine, and the crisis that has evolved from it. It is morally just, however internationally we are still considered breaking laws, hence why EU and the US is sanctioning us and demonizing us(every day ), so this leads the Kremlin to new forms of tactics. Covert operations, and denying involvement in the region (Donbas) and arguably the Ukraine and US in some cases do exaggerate Russian involvement in the region. Going as far as to saying 12,000 plus Russian soldiers being deployed, and that GRU operatives are the only reason for the people uprising in Donbas. But anyways, this leads to many confusions in the Russian masses, quite a few of Russians do not think Russia was involved, but still alot of Westerners think brigades of Russian troops poured in and they are the only "rebels" in Donbas. More so Russian troops probably arrived in critical zones to propel the Militia forces, and in complete support/advisory or training roles. My pleasure, it is very rare to have discussions with people on the internet like this. Especially on a forum and especially with the owner of it.

Not to say Stalin was a good guy, but there's more to it then that. But I am not willing to go into that off topic. I am grateful there are people with great knowledge on here, however that is more of a individual basis, let's not collectively assume stuff. No offense but that is very ignorant. Russian history books don't pretend that we were the only ones fighting the AXIS powers. Let's not jump to conclusions. I'd like to catch a fool to say that when I'm around, I will lay down the facts very quickly to him in no way was I taught in school anything like that. I'd wager I'm also familiar with American history. Why do you think I know English and speak it so well. I'm intrigued by US history. Probably, maybe I was too busy learning squad/platoon based tactics.

The majority of the population or a portion of the Ukrainian population? In world war 2 there were Ukrainian fascists who've joined the German army against their own motherland, however this does not mean by any means that Ukrainians enjoyed killing Jews, and Russians collectively. It sounds as if you're judging the whole Ukraine. Elaborate on that? If you're talking about the famine then you need to do a little more research on that. I'm not saying Russia owns Ukraine, the government of Ukraine got their independence because the USSR collapsed however you cannot just throw centuries of history out the window because of that. We were still very much tied to each other in many things. Anyways, I that's beside the point, I wasn't arguing wether Ukraine is independent or not. Of course Ukraine is its own country now... But you are twisting what I'm saying, I was listing reasons on how Russia is justified to protect Russian rights in Ukraine. Over night a historical ally of Russia is essentially chased out of power, by foreign influenced riots my evidence being this btw: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause In the article it doesn't mention him meeting the far right leader however this article on the same story does http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahnybok-in-ukraine-2013-12 Anyways I'm sure if you do your research you can find many more articles, with pictures, and evidence showing Western support for far right groups in Ukraine, but you know beside that fact, we all know why this event took place. Russia gave Ukraine 2 billion dollars which Yanukovich accepted out of the 15 billion dollar deal, and you know some guys in Ukraine especially some Oligarchs weren't happy. Add in Western support, and wallah you have a mini Syria in Kiev. The president escapes fearing for his life because some extremist EU groups want to be apart of the almighty EU. I pity this very much the more it comes to my mind. You've got to be joking or something. Oh yes it is in my genetic codes, because I am a Russian poor me. President Yanukovich before escaping asked Russia to reinstall constitutional order in Ukraine, before those pro EU people ousted him. Him being the legitimate leader, gave Russia all the right especially since Putin issued an order, and the Russian parliament permitted it before doing so. Crimea was secured, a voting process among the people were established voting choices being. Remain in Ukraine or join the Russian federation. Sevastopol and Crimea voted join Russia, not shocking... majority are pro-Russia over there anyways. But you of course will say "it broke Ukraine's constitution" show me where in Ukraine's constitution it shows you can violently overthrow your elected president because he wasn't pro-EU. Lol... I wish it was just Western NGOs, but anyways I can use this same argument against you in case of Donbas. Thanks I don't get that alot. God's sake.... wait and see about any problems. What else was there to see? Swift veto by any other nation to impose any policy, because the US and UK fully supported the EU revolts. Great choice! Seems like a fair trade off that you stole the Russians and Ukrainians president and government they voted for from them. Somewhat could agree here only in the case of the covert intervention of course. Sanctions took their toll. I also think you are a good person, politics would never change my mind on an individual. We're just having civil discussions.

Juan, it's because ever since world war 2 bar/cage armor was useless. Nazis were putting nice little holes in our tanks with panzerfausts. Then more advanced cage armor was attempted with farther distance than before. It is still useless... Cage armor is a no choice add on IMO. In Syria, government forces have cage armor extending out half a meter, and even then I'd question it's stand off capability against RPG warheads. Cage armor can be useful in putting distance away from the HEAT projectile, but armored vehicles especially APCs or BMP type IFVs have weak side armors even with the cage armor.

Well honestly those scenarios still can't be compared to what happened in Ukraine, however they are quite interesting. I don't think the current world situation in those regions permit Texas going to Mexico, because first off Mexico faces many internal issues, secondly Texas is just fine being a US state.

You know too much. LOL

Truly, the only sphere of influence the US is involved is Mexico, and not every corner in the world. Let's also not forget the fact Ukraine was not a independent state until the 1900s, and was Russian. Anyways following up I'm going to get into greater detail on why you are completely wrong. Ukraine for centuries was Russia, and Russia was Ukraine. A large portion of Ukraine is where Russians have originated from. Ukraine was given independence as a Ukrainian state during the Soviet times. But you know, let's pretend that Ukrainians are not connected to Russia, and that prior to 2014, we weren't tied to each other militarily, economically, and politically. Okay you assume that Ukraine is the only victim of the Tsar's practices. Russians suffered immensely, the same way Ukrainians did. Hence why the Communist Revolution had many Russians and Ukrainians together against the Tsar. You forget all the industry capabilities as brothers Ukrainians and Russians built together. It is still very apparent in their military. But let's forget this, and just narrowly view a Russian intervention and not take into account anything else other than Russian intervention. It is only Ukraine who have seen the brutality of the Tsar, not the Russians and many other ethnic groups. But anyways beside the fact, Ukraine is willing to cooperate with the EU and go fully into US sphere. The other countries like Belarus, and the Russian Federation who do not violently over throw the voted president, destroy all kinds of control, and cause chaos among the nation are clearly not smart like the Ukrainians that were in Kiev. I truly fear Putin and his FSB cronies! Come on Steve, you bring out a bunch of dirt against Russian intervention (which I've agreed to) but fail to see this coupe is supported by foreign countries. You accuse the Ukrainian government of the time being corrupt (which is true in minor cases, corruption exists in Russia, and people point this out to the government and are trying to get it abolished) yet you do not comment on about Yanukovich not signing an order to crack down, or control the nation state. Also, you ignore the fact that before Yanukovich escaping, he was being hunted down for his head! Show's to me you ignore the brutality of this Maidan revolution. And many other minor details, like the US supporting obviously far right groups, which have at most had the support of a small portion of the population. European Union?! Brexit says enough against this claim, people got to vote fairly. In Ukraine's case, violent overthrows take place. If you've been following on this, you'll notice all the western influence in the maidan revolts. But you know, "whataboutism" at play. Russia is evil, and we are very ignorant dumb downed folks.... That's the impression I get from you sometimes. Putin had no legal right true, but if Ukraine has no head of state and everything is in disarray, anti-Russian right wingers coming into power. Russia will secure Russian rights in the region. Again, you keep looking at the intervention part, and nothing else... Am I stupidly saying something different? There is no other two nations, with a significant history, and tie together like Russia and Ukraine, so I cannot make any comparisons. Yep, non violent influence, supporting far right groups, and unfair revolutions in Ukraine helped the region so much. Russia supporting Russians in the region in response to having their ally, economical, and military ally ripped away from them, is far worse. Also considering the fact if there was no ATO, and a political solution by the Ukrainian government was sought out in Donbas(recognizing the Russian population's disgust in not having any role in Kiev), a conflict on that scale would not have happened, also no Russian intervention would not have taken place. Do not pin the thousands of dead Russians and Ukrainians on Russia. Pin it on whoever caused the Maidan revolts to happen. I'm a very patriotic person not towards my government more so to Russia as a people, and before I felt the same for Ukraine. If I knew Russia was the oppressor and the sole reason for the thousands of deaths, I would not hesitate to show my disgust, and even protest. However, I like to look at the crisis for what it is, and not in a narrow view point. I've accepted the wrongs Russia has did in Ukraine (Tsars, corruption) I've accepted that Russia has intervened at some point in Donbas, but I won't forget what caused this bloody war, directly effecting my ancestral origins, as well as effecting my nation in many ways. (Sanctions, demonized on the world stage, Cold War hatred) Not only that, but effecting the centuries of history Russians and Ukrainians have had together, use to being one people, going through the same hardships and fighting for each other.

You forget to put the part where the main protest only happens in Kiev, and the protests are supported by western countries. Leaves the country than rather use force on his people. (Yanukovich did not sign an order where he could have easily contain the situation, since it was a coup) Accept my yoke that I've had no say in? You can catch me in the nearest rebellion group in event of such wrongfulness. No it's not confrontational however I'd say we should go back into topic before the thread gets locked because we have gone a bit too far if you get what I mean. As for the VDV: someone release the VDV modules, because the Russian army is under equipped without'm

Let's just say getting "lost" is probably the most embarrassing thing a unit can do... Especially the given circumstances of the conflict in Ukraine. Of course war is no joke, I wasn't joking about anyone dying or anything. That's not funny at all.

GPS malfunction, navigation mistakes happen sometimes

Sorry, I was braindead sleepy when I wrote that and did not be specific. Like my previous scenario, we're talking about conflict in Ukraine. Before US forces can deploy their main assets into Ukraine, it's more than possible to drop VDV units in the Russian territories, and cross into Ukraine in large scale. Of course on their own the VDV is not going to be launching offensives. They can secure the routes, set up positions, limited probes ect. Even then if Ukraine has AD units nearby, paradropping onto their territories are not going to work. SEAD operations have to take care of those. However, again the VDV can be deployed very rapidly to a region. Yeah DCS is fun just wanted to mention it, because even with a bunch of stuff missing for both sides, it shows the intensity of such wars. Of course DCS is nothing like reality. I was just using an example since you've played that game. Let me go into detail of Russian ADs. Firstly you have long range assets like S-300s and S-400s, Then comes the medium range stuff, BUKs for example, then short range stuff like Tunguskas, Panstir-S1s, TORs, ect. Short range AA assets are capable of engaging cruise missiles, and even guided missiles from attack jets. Then, to supplement the SAMs we have our air force to plug in holes, and operate under the umbrella. It isn't just SAMs by itself.