Alex Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I found information, in Russian source, about that Syria (and Egypt) was bought soviet 240mm mortars M-240, and more of that was used it in Beirut. Did some one know some think about this? http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/240-мм_миномёт_М-240 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 Also I found info about numbers of Syrian "big guns": M240 (240mm) - 8-10 M-160 (160mm) - 80-100 (not so little) S-23 (160mm howitzer) - 10 ML-20 (М-1937) (152mm) - 50 D-20 (152mm) - 20 Maybe numbers of M240 and S23 not so big, but M-160 not a little. But however Big caliber artillery it's very powerful weapon. For example SPA 2S4 "Tulpan" was used in "Checen wars" and it was very effective. http://www.waronline.org/mideast/syria_army.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share Posted December 5, 2009 To bad, that nobody interesting. Of course numbers of this toys, not so big, BUT this type of 'big mortars' Syrians can use for defence of big cities. Just for illustration firepower of 240mm: building hit by 2 (240mm) rounds building hit by 1 (240mm) round 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Alex, I'm interested! See March 14, 1989 entry here, taking particular note of the 52nd Brigade's artillery "owners": Syrian special forces! http://www.command-post.org/gwot/2_archives/008709.html Syrian counter revolutionary warfare technique at Hama mirrors what Tacitus said of the Romans: "They make a desolation and call it peace." http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26216 Additional Hama discussion. http://70.85.195.205/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26182 180mm and 240mm vs. East Beirut. (Link wouldn't paste) 114 Statement in the Knesset by Defense Minister Rabin on the Situation in Lebanon- 29 November 1989 TIME's take. For some reason, the photos don't appear. The damage described, though, is staggering. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,953421,00.html Also, it's S-23 gun, and its bore is 180 mm, not 160mm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180_mm_gun_S-23 Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Alex, Some additional info on the S-23, but the article incorrectly refers to 155 mm howitzers. Should be 152 mm. Super heavy artillery like this, in Russian practice at least, was under direct control of the Red Army General Staff and was allocated as needed to Fronts conducting critical operations, under direct control of the receiving Front commander. http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=92 The ML-20, a piece developed before WW II and which saw extensive service. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/152_mm_howitzer-gun_M1937_%28ML-20%29 Here's the D-20 152 mm. An impressive piece for the time, it actually outranged the original M109 155 mm SP, which had an unassisted range of 18 km. http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=144 M1943 160 mm Mortar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/160mm_Mortar_M1943 This should give you a good sense of the weaponry. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Alex, That damage is impossible. See, I've been told in another thread that CMSF's artillery damage model against buildings is quite accurate. That, indeed, 155mm rounds don't have much effect on multifloor buildings or their occupants. Now, a 240mm mortar round obviously has more explosive fill than a 155mm howitzer round, but still, CMSF tells me a single round cannot account for that kind of damage. My point being: artillery can devastate structures. It's almost like it's designed to blow things up. Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 c3k, Tres droll! Isby's Weapons and Tactics of the Soviet Army: Fully Revised Edition, p. 250. lists the 240 mm HE projectile (F-864) as weighing 100 kg. This source, though, says it's 130 kg, of which 34 kg is explosive fill. http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/irfna/irfna_refs/n28en023/firespt.htm The Tulpan notes here indicate that a concrete piercing round has been fielded for the 240 mm mortar. Think the Syrians used any? http://www.warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=240&linkid=1568&linkname=2s4-Tulpan-self-propelled-mortar When you really want to smite something--laser-guided 240 mm mortar round! Straight out of the export catalog. This is one of many such nasty items in the Cold War Russian toolbox. http://www.warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=1589&catid=254 Did you see what I managed to dig up on the OF-21 warhead for the 122 mm rocket? It's in the artillery vs. vehicles thread. A real find and powerfully confirmatory of what DoD was saying in Soviet Military Power and things I was aware of during my threat analyst days. I also threw in three videos covering the BM-21/BM-27/BM-30, with some great terminal effects footage for the BM-21 and Bazalt SFW firing trial footage, to name but a few of the astounding goodies therein. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Yes: thanks for digging that up! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 c3k, Happy to oblige! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share Posted December 5, 2009 John Kettler Sanks, good info. Guys how a you think had CMSF plase for it items? --- If some one interesting video about 2S4 "tulpan": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACMcOE_LjMw 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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