dog of war Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 can anyone tell me when this (no75 hawkins) grenade/mine antitank entered service ospreys wwii infantry anti tank tactics states 1942 ,also saw it on some website cant remember where had same entry date. another magazine i have orbis publication war machine states it was used pre dunkirk the germans captured a lot of them at dunkirk and used them themselves as panzerabwehrmine 429/1(e) confused some one know which is right . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Hogg's ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AMMUNITION. p. 116 says 1942. Wiki (below) agrees, citing a different Hogg book. Suspect the Orbis thing may have Dunkirk (1940) confused with Dieppe (1942)! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkins_mine Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Hogg's ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AMMUNITION. p. 116 says 1942. Wiki (below) agrees, citing a different Hogg book. Having checked my own copy of Hogg's Encyclopaedia of Infantry Weapons of WW2, I can find no reference to the date of introduction of the Hawkins mine. Annoyingly, there also seems to be no indication in The British Army Handbook (either the Chaberlain & Ellis or the Forty ones), nor even in my trusty 1975 Jane's Infantry Weapons, which covers quite a few old items. The most believeable source I can find in five minutes with Google is David Boyd's page: http://www.wwiiequipment.com/grenades.aspx ...which would seem to indicate that John K is right is thinking any reference to Dunkirk mistaken. All the best, John. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 John D Salt, And a most edifying source, at that! His account is the most thorough I can recall seeing. Will have to see what Hogg has in his GRENADES & MORTARS and Weeks has in his INFANTRY WEAPONS. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog of war Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 thank guys looking at that ww2equipment page saw this mine A.T. Mine E.P. Mk II mushroom mine, any info/picture for this one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 dog of war, It's not in my 1998-1999 JANE'S MINES AND MINE CLEARANCE, but I think this might be the cover of it. Certainly, the shape is mushroom like. http://www.visualcollector.com/Tommy/TommyStuff/MineCover.jpg British mines are not my strong suit. You read the description, but did you notice the table here? Almost didn't catch it myself! That gray box holds a wealth of information on what you seek. http://www.wwiiequipment.com/mines.aspx Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog of war Posted September 5, 2008 Author Share Posted September 5, 2008 thanks guys saw the mine section john that is where i saw that mushroom mine and that has raised my curiousity .funny actually very hard to find info on british mines (germans lot easier) british dont want to give impression they used them at all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 dog of war, When I first read the page, I was simply looking for the mention of the mine you sought, and I found that in the body text. Later, I went back and noticed the meaty table. Outside of the pic, that's the most I was able to find on the specifics. Did you see the CM groggery and energy find thread? If not, take a gander. Quite a few of the mines mentioned there are British. Have you tried the HMSO series on WW II? Would think there'd be something there, given the considerable space devoted to the issue of guns vs. armor in the Middle East volume. Would imagine there's an Ordnance volume in there somewhere. If you think the British are funny about mines, take a look at how "Bomber" Harris was treated after the War. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog of war Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 john is this on battefront site (CM groggery and energy find thread) searched but cant find it all i am getting is not enough words in search mininum 3 ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 dog of war, It's right here. http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=83405 Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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