Freeboy Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 OK, for those who do not know, this tank is a lemon, not bad by 1939 standards, but still, in 41 42 it is outclassed by almost everything. What makes it a lol, in the first train station German battle, about the tenth time trying to win, the last tank the enemy had was a lone BT7. I had two pac 40 75mm at guns and about 4 or 5 tanks, 25 men and all I did was pound this guy.. even my armor peircing shells bouncing off, I did not see one penetrating round, and after about 30 hits I stopped counting. I wonder if there is some "uber" code, as I have played probably 25hours and never seen anything like this, that causes one tank to become an alien devi ce sent back through time and space to change the course of gaming destiny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBob Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Originally posted by Freeboy: OK, for those who do not know, this tank is a lemon, not bad by 1939 standards, but still, in 41 42 it is outclassed by almost everything. What makes it a lol, in the first train station German battle, about the tenth time trying to win, the last tank the enemy had was a lone BT7. I had two pac 40 75mm at guns and about 4 or 5 tanks, 25 men and all I did was pound this guy.. even my armor peircing shells bouncing off, I did not see one penetrating round, and after about 30 hits I stopped counting. I wonder if there is some "uber" code, as I have played probably 25hours and never seen anything like this, that causes one tank to become an alien devi ce sent back through time and space to change the course of gaming destiny! Ditto for all the soviet armor. Gotta love those objective russian devs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaksie Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Sounds like a bug. In 1.0 version the Pz4C was called by many as 'black hole' because it swallowed 76mm shells happily and kept on driving and firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizee Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 i just played the demo yet. im tempted to buy this game, since i realy like the micro cc style thingie. but aparently, there are some real issues with the engine (los) which makes this game hard to like. a working dev team can fix this though. a heavy bias towards russian equipment will pobably stick around though, since the devs had put it in on purpose. ive seen this before. if you are a follower of the il2 flight simulation (no energy bleed on russian fighters for example), you know what i am talking about. this is a possible show stopper, since it makes a mockery out of the whole simulation approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG53_Jaguar Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Tigers firing at T-34s M43 from point blank range...AP shells bouncing off as well... I'm not saying that its broken but perhaps can be double check to make sure all is well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildwolf45 Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Almost certainly a bug. In that mission the only tank I had trouble taking out was the T-34 (appropriately enough). The BT-7's died easily to AP rounds from my PzIVC's. My PaK's went almost completely unused in that one oddly enough... And BillyBob, if that was the case, then how do you explain the Prokhrovka(sp?) scenario, where aside from a tracked Tiger and PzIVH, I eliminated EVERY Soviet tank, most with one shot, and suffered no actual tank destructions myself? Or how a scenario or two later, on the defense, on JagpanzerIV took out a SU-85, SU-122, and at least three T-34's? Oh, and the JPIV was fine at the end of the scenario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaksie Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 There is no soviet machinery or else bias. Play Russian campaign and you'll see. What MAY be, it's that i have a strange impression that your units are more vulnerable than AI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanss Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Originally posted by Freeboy: OK, for those who do not know, this tank is a lemon, not bad by 1939 standards, but still, in 41 42 it is outclassed by almost everything. What makes it a lol, in the first train station German battle, about the tenth time trying to win, the last tank the enemy had was a lone BT7. I had two pac 40 75mm at guns and about 4 or 5 tanks, 25 men and all I did was pound this guy.. even my armor peircing shells bouncing off, I did not see one penetrating round, and after about 30 hits I stopped counting. I wonder if there is some "uber" code, as I have played probably 25hours and never seen anything like this, that causes one tank to become an alien devi ce sent back through time and space to change the course of gaming destiny! Which scenario is it and what difficulty level did you play on? I would like to try it myself and see what I can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeboy Posted April 29, 2007 Author Share Posted April 29, 2007 FIRST GERAMIN TRAIN STATION BATTLE and I was playing on the middle level Note, this is the only time I have seen this, and on the next round, as I saved the game prior to this, the tanks all died without incident, so it was isolated. For anyone interested in small scale tank warfare, Two very enthusiastic thumbs up, I like this game although like others feel it could be so much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaksie Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Myabe TOW would be better if it would be a Tank sim, not tactical simulation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanss Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Originally posted by Freeboy: FIRST GERAMIN TRAIN STATION BATTLE and I was playing on the middle level Note, this is the only time I have seen this, and on the next round, as I saved the game prior to this, the tanks all died without incident, so it was isolated. For anyone interested in small scale tank warfare, Two very enthusiastic thumbs up, I like this game although like others feel it could be so much more. I just replayed it on highest and sometimes you shoot and shoot on a tank, but when you take a closer look thers is bush in the way, and if you inch a bit to a side you will get a clear shot and then boom. Excactly this thing happend to me with a t-60 light tank. the weird thing is that there is visible hits on the tank but in reality i believe you dont hit it at all becasues of LOS degraded, it just SEEMs you hit it. You understand what i mean? By the way i had only 2 panzers left after I won it........pffft.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanss Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Originally posted by Sneaksie: Myabe TOW would be better if it would be a Tank sim, not tactical simulation? Thats what I play it as, works fine...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeboy Posted April 29, 2007 Author Share Posted April 29, 2007 nope, I understand los and lif, no issue for me at all, I see my guns go BOOM and my tanks go BOOM and it was so comical after the first twenty to forty rounds when the smart IA decided it was invincable and started chasing down my infantry and my tanks where chasing this one tank, it was too comical.. like I said, Isaw a ton of hits, both ap acr and he hit and NO PENETRATIONS in the close up mode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanss Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Since he was moving about he cant have been having cover all the time from your units. Must be a bug then. B-T 7 is no contest for pz38t for sure(if that is what you had), easy kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeboy Posted April 29, 2007 Author Share Posted April 29, 2007 considering these same guys killed off the t34's! It was one of those surreal moments! Like whatching the Red Sox win the World series.. fyi for non American nonbaseball readers, The redsox had not won the WS in modern times, until VERY recently.. ? Do you remember where u where when the Mets easy out dribbled through the legs? LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 That has gotta be a bug or bad tactics. I am well into the German campaign on Veteran difficulty level, and the BT-7s have been nothing but cannon fodder. Once, I thought I had the same type of situation, until I realized that my dumbass had ordered the tank crews to fire with HE. Oops! That is easy to spot, btw, if hits on the tank make big booms but do little damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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