RPG question:

[Daniel Something Something]

I'm wondering, does the 105mm PG-7VR grenade from the RPG-7V have the same penetration value as that of the 105mm PG-29V from the RPG-29 (as in reality, they're the same warhead)? I've been playing various quick battles, and I've noticed that the former has greater trouble in knocking out Strykers and Bradleys than the latter; I had a PG-7VR fuse on a Bradley's turret front dead on in two separate incidents without effect. This doesn't seem all that accurate, as the PG-7VR penetrator should penetrate completely through the turret, and out the back of the vehicle (it was fired from a rooftop in both occasions), and both were dead on, so they should have at least killed the gunner and commander. Said Bradleys returned 25mm cannon fire, killing my RPG teams.

I know this is only two events, but does anyone else have any similar incidents occur on the front of lightly armored vehicles that are sans ERA?

[themediocrity]

Well I haven't seen this exact kind of incident but I've had a lot of trouble with the RPG-29. At least since patch 1.08, I've noticed it seems to be extremely underpowered as well (For example, T-72s surving multiple hits to their rear armor). So I'm not sure if the PG-7VR is actually any worse than the PG-29V, it's possible both have been seriously nerfed.

[Pandur]

For example, T-72s surving multiple hits to their rear armor

i noticed that in a Hasrabit mission, in average i calculated 4 RPG29 T-HEATS, to destory one T72(non ERA).

they shruged off hits in the rear, and side of hull and turret with ease.

and even the manuall says, its is pretty powerfull, and can destroy "any tank in the wrold" the manual says

so i guess the RPG7 can do that too, however it takes longer and probably needs more shots, but 4 shots 105mm T-HEAT from RPG29 for a T72 isnt all that powerfull in my view.

it could be tied to the bug with slat and skirt armor, wich is currently eating up to much of the modern HEATS power. you can read it in the "where the heck did my RPG go" theread.

[SgtMuhammed]

"Can destroy any tank in the world" is no the same as "always destroys any tank in the world."

[Daniel Something Something]

RPG-18s, PG-7VMs and Ls did the trick in Chechnya into the rear turret of the T-72/80; single hits were catastrophic many times over the arcs that weren't frontal and covered with ERA.

I hit a TURMS-T with 2 85mm PG-7Gs into the rear turret, and one 93mm L into the same; nothing but an immobilized tank (it's turret could still traverse and fire).

Anyway, here's another PG-7VL against a Bradley's front turret (I've a side-on picture that shows the grenade in flight, I can post that); this Bradley "should" be out of action, but no, it returns cannon fire and kills the RPG team:

[Daniel Something Something]

Correction: it's a 105mm PG-7VR in the photo, the same warhead as on the RPG-29's grenade.

[Pandur]

"Can destroy any tank in the world" is no the same as "always destroys any tank in the world."

sure not, but it implies that the system is modern and "powerfull". and if a modern and powerfull system cant even reliably kill a t72, its not all that modern and powerfull in my view.

let alone a abrams...wich counts to "any" tanks, too.

[the Fighting Seabee]

Dan, nice screenshot!

[Daniel Something Something]

Thanks.

I think I might have found a bug; I've noticed this every time: when I have a soldier with an RPG-7V with an PG-7VR round loaded (the same as a RPG-29), when I order him to attack an AFV, the grenade "switches" to the 40mm OG-7V in the launcher, until it launches, and then it's the PG-7VR in flight, and which hits the vehicle. The question is, is it the PG-7VR that's hitting the vehicle? I just had a perfect flank hit on a Bradley with such an occurrence (the 105mm ammo counter went down after the hit, even though what I described above happened).

I also had a somewhat "shoddy" frontal turret hit with a RPG-29 on another Bradley, and it killed the vehicle.

Does anyone else notice a disparity in the performance of the same 105mm warhead, but when it's fired from the two different launchers?

[Pandur]

iam no expert but can you explain to me, what mykes you thinking that the both 105mm warheads are the "same"!? just becouse their both 105mm caliber!?

[SgtMuhammed]

The warheads are the same size but the PG-29V is rated to penetrate 700+mm steel while the PG-7VR is rated at 500mm.

[Daniel Something Something]

Same warhead, different rocket motor [and launcher]. It's easy enough to find such information on the 'net. The RPG-29 has greater range due to the aforementioned changes.

SgtMuhammed, the 93mm PG-7VL has 500mm of penetration, some say higher however, 600mm (the tandem PG-7VLT is greater, but not as great as the PG-7VR and PG-29V/PG-27).

Both the 105mm warheads have 750mm+ in penetration.

[Daniel Something Something]

O, and either of the 93mm or 105mm warheads will kill a Bradley sans ERA with a solid hit most of the time; the 105mm with ERA too (penetration figures mean that if a tank has 500mm of armour protection, and it's hit with a 93mm PG-7L, which just perforates the armour, there's a 50% chance of killing the vehicle--the more penetration, the higher the chance of killing it).

The 105mm liner will completely shoot through a Bradley no matter which aspect (as well as disabling the vehicle). The 93mm will too if there's no ERA.