Dan Verssen Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 As time goes by we'll not only be adding new planes, but also going back and revising the existing planes. Here is a preview of the Bf109B that I am working on. Changes: - Spinner - Air Intake - Wing Tips - Paint Job - Tail Struts http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?13@181.rZOcbMXjuOQ.807942@.1dd08621/305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuderian Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 Hi! Looks much better than the old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroi neko Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 Looking good ! And accurate color scheme, as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 That prop spinner isn't a "B" type tho - isn't that teh shape used by the later 109's: Here's a shot of B's: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Don't forget to update the damaged models too. I think the damaged version of the F4F is so cool, I don't even mind it so much when I'M the one flying it. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Verssen Posted October 18, 2005 Author Share Posted October 18, 2005 I've posted some updated shots of the Bf-109B... http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?13@181.TlEEbACkvcd.189648@.1dd08621/307 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Could you reduce the flames to just an occasional lick please?? No aircraft would be flying with that much fire coming out of it - the heat would melt the structure & it'd fall apart let alone the destruction of engine components causing a total loss of power!! And the prop spinner is still wrong for the B - right for the G's and F's and K's - but wrong for the B & E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Verssen Posted October 18, 2005 Author Share Posted October 18, 2005 I'm thinking the spinner should be more cone-shaped and less rounded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Exactly - that rounded spinner is perfect for the later models, but not the early ones. also is this a model specifically for the B, or is it goign to be shared with somethign else? The B doesn't have the big scoop on the port side just ahead of the cockpit: [ October 18, 2005, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: Mike ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroi neko Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 The 109B and E spinners are different : the B's is a pure truncated cone, while the E's is broader at the tip, the planned engine-embedded cannon (never installed in the E version) orifice being blunter than on the B's spinner. The B's engine was a Jumo 210E, hence the completely different cowling, radiator scoops and exhausts. The Emil used the DB601A power plant, and all subsequent versions (except post-war adaptations) used the Daimler-Benz 60x family. With the F version, the cowling was again reshaped to improve aerodynamics and also accomodate for the new DB605 engine. Not only was the lateral supercharger intake redesigned, but also the underwing and nose radiator scoops. Spinner was given a more rounded shape, and did not evolve anymore from F to K. The G version had the well known bulges (hence the nickname "die Beule"), needed to house the heavier 13mm MG151 machineguns and improve engine cooling. Also, the vertical stabilizer surface was increased to counter added engine torque. The K version was externally very similar to the G-14 series, except for a new canopy (Erla Haube) with improved visibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartbert Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Yup. That's exactly what I was going to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixxkiller Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 COPYCAT!!!!! -Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Verssen Posted October 19, 2005 Author Share Posted October 19, 2005 Revised spinner and side air scoop removed... http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?13@181.KqQPbAzsvGc.283272@.1dd08621/308 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Much better - thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroi neko Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Looking quite better already! Now the only remaining challenge will be to model the big nose radiator intake. Given the angle at which planes are usually viewed in most of the animations, I reckon perfect modeling is not required, but this big scoop should be visible at least in loops or barrel rolls. Maybe the wingtips are still looking a bit too curved too. They should be completely straight, with a much smaller curved area at the edges. Also these polygons look like if they could use a bit of smoothing . [ October 18, 2005, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: kuroi neko ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I thought the intake was close enough if not correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Verssen Posted October 19, 2005 Author Share Posted October 19, 2005 I've enlarged the intake a bit. The smoothing of the polys gets taken care of when the images get reduced. I am posting them at 600x600. In the game they are 200x200. I'll take a look at the wingtips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Verssen Posted October 19, 2005 Author Share Posted October 19, 2005 Wingtips flattened... http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?13@181.Itm4bTPMv2o.343627@.1dd0c5ab/61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixxkiller Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 And I wanted the Swept Wing Version! I want my money back!!!!!!! -Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Verssen Posted October 19, 2005 Author Share Posted October 19, 2005 Okay then, I think we're about ready to begin making new animations for the 109B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroi neko Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I hereby declare the 109B model geometry in conformity with my subjective accuracy criteria . Nice job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 *french judge accent* I don't like eet, *blows smoke* :-D Seriously looks good. Black Cat, do you have a degree in WWII aircraft or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroi neko Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 lol you should have seen some IL2 boards. There were guys there able to identify the exact type, subtype and serial number of a 109 from a badly scratched picture of the corner of the left ear of the pilot's dog . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Verssen Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 The next plane to be updated is the Spitfire I. Here is the preview link... http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?13@181.zZofbU9bvO5.981048@.1dd0c5ab/66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroi neko Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Looks good to me. You could still do a better canopy, a slightly blunter spinner and also modify the roundels. Differences are apparent on these profiles for instance, but given the final size of the animations, the current 3D model state may be quite acceptable. However, the fuselage and wing roundels should be 3 colors with a yellow exterior circle. That should not be too difficult to change. [ October 23, 2005, 06:40 AM: Message edited by: kuroi neko ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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