Roosevelt45(the 2nd) Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Any news on how diplomacy is going to be handled? Are we going to be able to send ultimatums to neutral countries(or send ultimatums to belligerent nations as a neutral nation)? What about signing peace treaties and setting the terms for these peace treaties? These options would surly make a MP game where the different countries are represented by different players a lot more interesting(just imagine the USSR pulling out of the war or even switching sides in the middle D-day). This would also make the game more historically correct as countries like Rumania and Finland changed sides nearing the end of the war. I would also love to see the option to send a PM(secret negogiations ) to another player during a MP game offering him all kind of things to make him pull out of the war or convince him to join you. example: Germany promises Turkey Syria and Armenia if it joins the Axis or: the UK promises Italy Malta(not very likely but just an example) if it keeps out of the war. Regardless of whether these things are included or not, I would like to see an advanced and greatly expanded diplomacy aspect in SC2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Roosevelt, Glad you posted this -- I was hoping someone would and here it is you've brought this back into prominence again. Bravo! We had a lot of discussions about this last year at SC, some of the best ideas coming from Shaka of Carthage with his Diplochit concept and EdwinP along with several others making great posts on the subject. I think there was something mentioned somewhere in this SC2 Forum about there being a guage for having anywhere between a little and a lot of diplomacy depending upon the type of game and the personal preferences of the players. Here's hoping we get some good input and responses on what should be treated as a very important aspect of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin P. Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I believe that the Diplomacy aspect as planned is limited to affecting the leaning of countries. However, I would like to see the aspects that you listed Roosevelt45 also shown along with other aspects. For example: I would like to see a possibility of Neutral Spain asking the Allies for Military Assistance after France falls. The Allied Response could be: 1. We are with you in spirit but can not spare any resources at the current time. (50% Spanish Relations with Allies Deteriorate) 2. Give Spain 75MPPS (Spain Gains 1 Corp Unit and 50% Spanish Relations towards Allies increase) 3. Give Spain 25MPPS (Spanish relations with Allies do not change For Example: I would like to see Pro-Allied Neutrals that allow Allied forces basing and transit rights without themselves entering the war. 1. Allied Land and HQ Units can operate through a Pro-Allied Neutral Nation but can not stop in or attack from the Neutral Nations Tile. 2. Allied Air Units can be based in Pro-Allied Neutral Nations, for spotting purposes but can not attack or intercept while based in a Pro-Allied Neutral Nation. Additionaly, I would like to see, as you suggested, that countries be allowed to offer territory, but that your nation's government may reject this offer if it is against the nation's historical interest and there is a penalty associated with making an offer that is rejected by your government. Perhaps, if you make an offer that your government rejects then the recipient is deeply offended and relations with that country decline instead of improving. Or perhaps, government operations are paralized with political infighting and military spending slows down. Example: ------------------------------------------------ UK Offers Gibraltar to Italy - 99% UK Parliment will Reject Offer. IF Rejected: LONDON TIMES UK Parliament Overwhelmingly Approves No-Confidence Vote Againt Prime Minister for Offering Gibraltar to Spain. Government Operations Paralized. Prime Minister struggles to retain position as head of government. Effect: UK can't spend MPPs this turn OR Relations with Italy Decline (instead of improving) ------------------------------------------------ UK offers Malta to Italy - 80% UK Parliment will Reject Offer. If Rejected: LONDON TIMES UK Parliament Overwhelmingly Approves No-Confidence Vote Againt Prime Minister for Offering Malta to Spain. Government Operations Paralized. Effect: UK can't spend MPPs this turn OR Relations with Italy Decline (instead of improving) ------------------------------------------ UK recognizes Turkish Control Over Iraq - 10% Parliment will reject offer ------------------------------------------ In Summary; UK Gives Gibraltar to Italy - 99% Rejected by UK Government UK Gives Malta to Italy - 80% Rejected UK Gives Iraq to Turkey - 10% Rejected [ January 07, 2005, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: Edwin P. ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosevelt45(the 2nd) Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 2. Allied Air Units can be based in Pro-Allied Neutral Nations, for spotting purposes but can not attack or intercept while based in a Pro-Allied Neutral Nation. Or maybe a pop-up schould appear saying : air fleet based in neutral Spain is able to intercept Italian air fleet attacking Gibraltar, do you want to intercept? yes= 50% chance the Axis invade Spain, or Spain kicks the allies out. no= nothing changes And I would also like to see neutrals asking for allied assistance if threatened by the Axis, and the effect that the giving or not giving of this assistance has on that neutral's leaning. In general I would like to see a lot of possibilities to influence neutrals and also more phases between neutral and war declaration. for example: -Non-aggression pacts -economical cooperation pacts -As you said, allow troops to move through neutral territory without joining the war. -And other... And different kind of alliances incorporated in the game : -commonwealth alliances -military alliances(like NATO, where the invasion one member automatically leads to a war declaration from all members) -Mutual assistance pacts -alliances where one country is the dominion of the other(UK-Canada) -And other... Additionaly, I would like to see, as you suggested, that countries be allowed to offer territory, but that your nation's government may reject this offer if it is against the nation's historical interest and there is a penalty associated with making an offer that is rejected by your government. Perhaps, if you make an offer that your government rejects then the recipient is deeply offended and relations with that country decline instead of improving. Or perhaps, government operations are paralized with political infighting and military spending slows down. Example: ------------------------------------------------ UK Offers Gibraltar to Italy - 99% UK Parliment will Reject Offer. IF Rejected: LONDON TIMES UK Parliament Overwhelmingly Approves No-Confidence Vote Againt Prime Minister for Offering Gibraltar to Spain. Government Operations Paralized. Prime Minister struggles to retain position as head of government. Effect: UK can't spend MPPs this turn OR Relations with Italy Decline (instead of improving) What about dictatorships like Germany? Should they have the same limitations to promising territory to other countries or not? After all, they don't have a real democratic parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin P. Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 No, dictatorships like Germany and Russia would not have the same restrictions, however, they could offend their allies. Example: Germany attempts to influence Spain by giving Spain territory that Italy wants. If Germany Gives Vichy France to Spain then Italian War Readiness declines by 10% to 30%. If Germany Gives Vichy Algeria to Spain then Italian War Readiness declines by another another 10% to 30%. If Germany Gives Egypt to Spain then Italian War Readiness declines by another 10% to 30% and Turkey becomes 10% to 20% more pro-Allied. The Effect: Italian War Readiness 30% to 50% Then Any Italian Units Outside of Italian Territory may only move towards Italy, Units in Italy may not leave Italy. Italian War Readiness LESS than 30% Then Italy Returns to Neutrality and withdraws from the war. The possibilities: Germany Gives Spain Vichy France + Vichy Algeria + Egypt 10% + 10% + 10% = 30% Reduction in Italian War Readiness = No Effect 20% + 20% + 10% = 50% Reduction in Italian War Readiness = Italian Troops are called home, but Italy remains in the War. 30% + 30% + 30% = 90% Reduction in Italian War Readiness = Italy Withdraws from the War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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