Hans Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Was wondering how many of these were in the German forces? Noted they are not in CMBB that I can find. Grogs what the info on this? Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 I June 1943 there were 30 PSW 178 aka 204(f) in service, from a list that I saw on Lexikon der Wehrmacht. I take it that is the Panhard? Quite a rare vehicle it seems. I suppose you can always use a German PSW to simulate it - anything with a light gun should do, not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Originally posted by Andreas: I June 1943 there were 30 PSW 178 aka 204(f) in service, from a list that I saw on Lexikon der Wehrmacht. I take it that is the Panhard? Quite a rare vehicle it seems. [snips]That is indeed the Panhard. It wasn't all that rare, in its time, by German armoured car standards. The old stand-by Chamberlain, Doyle & Jentz says that 190 were issued unmodified to recce companies before Barbarrossa, and that 107 were lost in action in 1941. 190 may not seem like a lot, but only about a hundred each of the Sd Kfz 233, 234/2, 234/3 and 234/4 were produced, and only two hundred of the 234/1. Not only would I like to see the Panhard in its long and short 25mm incarnations, I'd also like to see the version with the turret replaced by a 5cm KwK L/42, using guns that became availabkle after the up-gunning of the PzKw III. Mind you, I think the Tetrarch for the Sovs should come first... All the best, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted October 24, 2002 Author Share Posted October 24, 2002 THEN, based on what you fine gentlemen say, it should be added to the German OOB. Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Originally posted by Hans: THEN, based on what you fine gentlemen say, it should be added to the German OOB. HansIn a perfect world, yes. Since CMBB does not model every vehicle that ever saw combat in the east, I think it is not that great a loss - although I believe it would have made more sense to have this one, than the Sturmtiger. But I am a bit weird in that respect, I guess... I wonder how many of the remaining 90 or so were actually modified to take the 50L42 gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinxi Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Did the standard Panhard AC have a 20mm cannon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 No - the Panhard had a 25mm cannon, and what's more it was NOT an auto-cannon - each round had to be hand-loaded. a 47mm armed version was under development in 1940, but wasn't used until after teh war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy66 Posted October 26, 2002 Share Posted October 26, 2002 I do believe that the Panhard's were later given to rear area security units for use in anti-partisan duties/operations. Some were modified to ride on railroad tracks by replacing the rubber tires with steel railwheels for railway security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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