Guest Big Time Software Posted June 16, 2000 Share Posted June 16, 2000 ... CM weren't a deep and rich game So obviously there are a lot of little, and not so little, things that can be picked up from each other. This is the place to discuss them and improve your CM gaming abilities as a whole. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckinDixie Posted June 16, 2000 Share Posted June 16, 2000 Great forum topic. Sometmes a 180 page manual can be a little intimidating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark IV Posted June 16, 2000 Share Posted June 16, 2000 Compared to what most historical games ship with, a 180 page manual is pure bliss. You'd actually think some thought and research went into this thing. I will want/need to read it cover to cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Imperator Posted June 16, 2000 Share Posted June 16, 2000 It would also be much easier if the war hadn't been so damned complicated. Next time there's a war, would someone please remember to ask the combatants to keep things simple? Each side gets one country, one type of rifle squad, machine gun, antitank team, artillery, light tank, heavy tank, and that's it! If they want to be do anything more complicated, they can wait until the end of the war to upgrade their units. Then all we'd need is an 18 page manual, most of which would involve troubleshooting DirectX problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.Tankersley Posted June 16, 2000 Share Posted June 16, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Imperator: ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hey, Imperator! How's it goin'? How glad are you you're not involved in mwc2k? ------------------ Leland J. Tankersley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted June 16, 2000 Share Posted June 16, 2000 I just hope you deed a reall good job spellchequing the manual so Maximuss has one less thing two worry bout. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted June 16, 2000 Share Posted June 16, 2000 Look! I come from a family full of teachers, and bad spelling casts a shadow on the education system. To me there's no excuse for it. Especially if you come from an English speaking nation/area. Hell, even non-native English speaking people don't seem to have that much problem. ------------------ Don't mind me. I'm just a little ol' realist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberGrupenStompinFeuhrer! Posted June 17, 2000 Share Posted June 17, 2000 Teechers? I dunno. Edjukayshun never dun me no good! ------------------ "Them Yankees couldn't hit the broa..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Imperator Posted June 17, 2000 Share Posted June 17, 2000 Leland! Funny who you meet here. Left the Myth community for lack of time, but now I think I've found something else to hold my interest anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 17, 2000 Share Posted June 17, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maximus: Look! I come from a family full of teachers, and bad spelling casts a shadow on the education system. To me there's no excuse for it. Especially if you come from an English speaking nation/area. Hell, even non-native English speaking people don't seem to have that much problem. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Most of the non-native English speakers on the board communicate more clearly than the native English (American) speakers. I'd say that is a rather sad commentary on the state of the US education system. And, to keep this post on topic... Manual with 180 pages? Ooh! Hope gots lots pictures. -Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertpat1 Posted June 17, 2000 Share Posted June 17, 2000 ------------------ A 2x4 and a kind word work better than just a 2x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJoat Posted June 22, 2000 Share Posted June 22, 2000 Arrgh. Once again, I choose my side BEFORE I select fog of war!!! Is there any way to make full fog of war be the default? Mine keeps defaulting to NONE! I've looked in the manual for how to change this, but no luck so far... Thanks [This message has been edited by TheJoat (edited 06-22-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka kingtiger Posted June 23, 2000 Share Posted June 23, 2000 Hey Imperator. By chance do you lack spare time due to marine fish maintenance? Richard Kalajian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Imperator Posted June 23, 2000 Share Posted June 23, 2000 kingtiger, no, sorry. You must be thinking of a different person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka kingtiger Posted June 23, 2000 Share Posted June 23, 2000 Imperator = Marine Angel Fish http://www.iw.net/~jjwill/angel.html I didn't realize it Imperator had another meaning, like something to do with Caesar. Sorry. Richard Kalajian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillWoodAgain Posted June 23, 2000 Share Posted June 23, 2000 You know, I have been thinking that a way to market games would be to include games with history books, say an Ambrose book like "Citizen Soldiers" packed with a man to man wargame tactical wargame. BTS has packed a book with a game (unfortunately I don't have it yet). I am sure my original idea was unworkable, marketing books is worse than retail, and books last longer than games, by 10 to 1 or more. Wonder if Combat Mission is so popular that the History Channel will do a series by the same name...stranger things have happened. It would be a remake of Combat! with modern gore (A good slogan for the Republicans: Gore More?) and the same grit that Vic Morrow made in his acting. Later. Time to go home and see if my game made it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezmartini Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stic.man Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 wow, what else are you going to dig up there bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I/O Error Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 You know what's the most interesting thing about the CMBO manual? It's actually worth reading, unlike a LOT of other game manuals out there. I have to say, it's nice to read something that a REAL person wrote and not just another poor corporate technical writer who hates computer games, his office, and the rating he just got. End result? CMBO manual = fun and easy to read. As well as surprisingly informative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I/O Error Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 BillWoodAgain: Like, dude! Pass me some of that stuff, yo! Where exactly did that all come from, anyway?! j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grobdeutschland Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 Look! I hate being the teacher's pet , but you guys at BTS are just great. You take pride in your product & it shows in everything you do, from the manual to the support we get on this site, & everything in between. I don't always agree w/ya but I like the fact that you actually take the time to explain why you've done something. Before CM I never... ever... bought...any game without A) waiting for reviews or B)being able to return the productfor a refund, I just had enough of the half-assed efforts. But when I read up on BTS at thier web-site I got the game ASAP & I've never looked back. BTW I've read the manual from cover to cover about 3 times & I want a 300 pager next. ------------------ "Far better it is To dare mighty things... Then to take rank with Those poor, timid spirits Who know neither Victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt 1899 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samhain Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 I have to say, I love the manual for being both highly readable and highly informative. The tone is superb, communicating with the layperson readily without ever condescending. It's really appreciated. I've read the manual three or four times now, which is really unusual compared to my experiences with most games' disposable, hack-written manuals. And with CM, the manual only covers the basics--that's not a complaint or insult, but rather a testament to CM's wonderful depth. ------------------ I rode a tank, held a general's rank When the blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank. --Rolling Stones [This message has been edited by Samhain (edited 12-24-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samhain Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 Actually, one way to improve the manual would be to give newbies a clue about the equipment. For those of us who know German or about WWII weaponry, it's not generally a problem, but what about the many people who come to CM who don't? How on earth would they guess what a PIAT is (dumb acronymn, to be sure), or a Panzerabwehrwerfer? Then of course there are the distinctions between tanks, tank destroyers, tank hunters, assault guns, sp guns, etc. (I'm not even sure the Germans always knew the differences ). Then again, including an basic reference on all the units would be an enormous task. Another suggestion: tactical primers that go well beyond the tutorial (a weakness of the current manual, frankly). Someone suggested including accompanying movie files on the disc to illustrate, which would be awesome. ------------------ I rode a tank, held a general's rank When the blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank. --Rolling Stones [This message has been edited by Samhain (edited 12-21-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskander Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 Dittos to Samhain's remark on beginner tactics. While I - and I imagine most of us - have played some type of wargame for years (decades? God! am I that old?!), there is a certain proportion of paying customers that have not (a local friend of mine, for instance, who I've talked into buying CMBO). A better tutorial in the manual AND 1-3 more tutorial scenarios (perhaps via download to save CD space) on basic tactics (advance, defence, armor, infantry) would help the newbie. Yes, I know, they could go and read about such on various websites, but these folks bought the game to PLAY IT, not get a Ph.D in WWII history (once they're addicted, that comes later). ------------------ "The Secret of the Empire was revealed: an emperor, it seemed, could be made outside of Rome" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stic.man Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 if i remember right the manual for close comabt: 4, in the manual there were some history facts, pictures of weapons, of battlescenes and such, this would be a nice feature in the manual. /me goes look for cc4 manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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