Iron Chef Sakai Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 I was'nt sure if this was modeled in CMBO so i figured i'd ask. I've recently read tha the German 81mm mortar came with some shells that would bounce into the air upon impact and explode about 5 ft above ground level raining down shrapnel upon all those unfortunate enough to be in it's vicinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Rock Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 True. The cast iron nose cap was held to the mortar round by four little pins. When the shell hit the blak powder charge blew the mortar back, sheared the pins,and lighted a delay fuse. Went back up 5-10 feet in the air. It was generally less reliable then time fuze, which was more common. The Germans never developed a VT round by the end of the war. I don't know if the Allies made a VT round small enough to put in a mortar shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wacky Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Originally posted by Charlie Rock: True. The cast iron nose cap was held to the mortar round by four little pins. When the shell hit the blak powder charge blew the mortar back, sheared the pins,and lighted a delay fuse. Went back up 5-10 feet in the air. It was generally less reliable then time fuze, which was more common. The Germans never developed a VT round by the end of the war. I don't know if the Allies made a VT round small enough to put in a mortar shell.I've only heard of VT being used in artillery and not in mortars. What about mortars today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Rock Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Truly evil. They are multi-capable, give them a twist and they can either fire delay, point detonating, or a couple of levels of airburst. All in one fuze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 VT fuses for the 107 where made, but never issued because of the problems with explosive effect (the fuse was too big). At least I have no sources which have the 107mm fuse as anything other than a stateside oddity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Chef Sakai Posted February 6, 2002 Author Share Posted February 6, 2002 So is this modeled in the game? I assume it is, but just making sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 I would be surprised if it was considering that the Wurfgrante 39 was taken out of production in 1942 due to it's lack of reliability. It was used until stocks ran out but after two years there was probably not much left. My source (Gander & Chamberlain) puts the "jump" at 6-15 meters. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty's Double Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 I heard the Germans, frustrated with their lack of success with the VT fuse, planned a two stage mortar round. The first stage contained several seeds and a supply of Baby Bio. This landed in the earth and quickly grew in a copse of trees. Seconds later the second part of the round, which was filled with contact-fuzed explosive, struck the trees and rained down shrapnel on the hapless allied soldiers. Will this be modelled in CMBB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorBooBoo Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 There wasnt silicon based transistors in 1943-1945. That means the US must have used tube technology somehow (to make the radar implanted fuses needed for VT). Must have been some sort of micro tubes I suppose. Even if they were very small, they would have taken up alot of space in a shell. A mortar, with its softer launch, would have been easier on the electronics anyway. But the VT was an AA attempt primarily and only used later in the war as a anti-personnel weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Posted February 7, 2002 Share Posted February 7, 2002 Originally posted by Captain Wacky: I've only heard of VT being used in artillery and not in mortars. What about mortars today?As far as i now most modern mortar rounds have mulit-option fuses and could be used both in proximity (better then VT) and other modes (impact, delayed, near surface) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorBooBoo Posted February 7, 2002 Share Posted February 7, 2002 Fuzes are probably the greatest advances in arty/mortars. Explosives and shell designs may have made little improvements but the electronics are dirt cheap and magnify the utility and deadliness of indirect fire. Also electronics in laser range finders and radios make indirect fire responsive and deadly. The advances in body armor/vests somewhat offset these advances though. Troops in earthen bunkers wearing this equipment have a little safety from airbursts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 7, 2002 Share Posted February 7, 2002 Originally posted by Swift: ...used both in proximity (better then VT) ...Prox and VT (Variable Time) are two names for the same thing. The other option I think you are looking for is MT (Mechanical Timer). MT works like an egg timer - after so many seconds the fuze goes 'poof'. In certain circumstances MT is better than VT, but in general VT is preferred. Regards JonS Edit: because these new nested quotes can be a real pain. [ February 07, 2002, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: JonS ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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