Skolman Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Am i the only one who thinks that the volkssturm is armed far too good ? The units are armed with lots of MPs and MGs and even with the rare mp 44 ! as far as i know the main problems of the volkssturm have been ammo and weapons. Most of those poor "soldiers" carried hunting rifles !! What do you think about it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Sosaboski Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Perhaps, but I'm not too well informed on these guys. If you go up against them, however, I guarantee that no matter what FP rating they have, as greens or especially conscripts, they will run very quickly (usually...). Will they cause casualties? Yes. But, will they be anything besides a speedbump in a daytime '45 scenario? Usually not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Good point. I don't think the problem is as much the armament as the ability to buy these troops as fit veterans. Given their generally light and rear area duty, extra SMGs aren't unrealistic. Try them as conscripts that start the battle exhausted and suppressed and you'll get a more realistic performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Mind you, come up against veteran, fit Volksturm and they'll cause plenty of headaches with all those automatic weapons. Somehow it doesn't seem right you can purchase these guys as veterans. I mean, how the hell did they reach veteran status unless it's referring to WW I experience! Regards Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Sosaboski Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Yeah, actually I played a hotseat against someone who bought an "elite" Volksturm platoon, I believe... But, for a more realistic depiction, certainly try what both Slappy suggested. For example, in April of '45 I ran into two platoons worth of these guys, but they were conscripts. They had an HMG too, but I had a rifle platoon, pioneer platoon, and a Sherman III (Canadians, all vet). I don't think my guys ever stopped moving, and neither did the VS, except they were all running like hell. I only suffered three wounded, and gained the objective. Even the VS didn't take too many casualties (all things considered...), probably since they ran so fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolman Posted December 30, 2002 Author Share Posted December 30, 2002 It´s true that conscript volkssturm is no real danger...but remember that you can get conscript troops too when playing the allies (even if it´s a rare event) then you will see how well the VS is armed. Another point is, that CM is famed for it´s realism and it´s a fact that volkssturm units where armed extremly bad...the extra MG´s where usually picked up by remaining Wehrmacht units. The only exception of the guns carried where possibly places like berlin where they where armed like in CM.... Cheers Skolman and a happy new year ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Sosaboski Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Skolman, True, although receiving conscript allies is rare, and, for all purposes, should be basically impossible in Apr-May of '45. Can't argue about the VS armament, as I said, I know almost nothing about their OOB/TO&E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 Originally posted by Skolman: It´s true that conscript volkssturm is no real danger...but remember that you can get conscript troops too when playing the allies (even if it´s a rare event) then you will see how well the VS is armed. Another point is, that CM is famed for it´s realism and it´s a fact that volkssturm units where armed extremly bad...the extra MG´s where usually picked up by remaining Wehrmacht units. The only exception of the guns carried where possibly places like berlin where they where armed like in CM.... Cheers Skolman and a happy new year !IIRC I read somewhere just the opposite. Himmler being in charge of Volksturm had power to direct them large amounts of automatic weapons. With VS units low combat value this was ofcourse waste of resources. [ December 30, 2002, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: illo ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolman Posted December 31, 2002 Author Share Posted December 31, 2002 Hallo to all ! At least in my hometown, the VS was armed extremely poor (in april 45)....maybe it depends on the date When i see pictures of VS units ,all they carry are Panzerfäuste and normal rifles (sometimes even hunting rifles) except on parades in berlin and in front of great Nazi leaders where you can see plenty MG´s... Oi and a happy new year !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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