Pics of Germans with Semi-auto Rifles

[DEY]

Some of Gewehr's, Mp/StG 44's and captured rifles. Again may be old news too most.

http://www.gewehr43.com/battle.html

[Generaloberst Guderian]

Great pictures! BTW, I was wondering if any of you knew of German units with G/K 43 Rifles in CMBB. Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention, but I've yet to run across German infantry with semi-auto rifles.

[Dandelion]

There aren't any German semiautomatic rifles in the game.

The MP44 seems to be illustrated as always in fully automatic considering the firepower ratings given (fp and ranges resembling the Thompson smg rather than the Garand).

One can imagine that the sharpshooters use G41 or 43 The game does not reveal if they do or not.

Cheerio

Dandelion

[Pzman]

IIRC they were left out because they were not very common, but considering some of the tanks in the game, such as IS3s thats hard to argue really.

[Dandelion]

Nope, not a very valid argument considering 402.713 weapons were produced. As compared to the 479.810 MP44 all types produced - a weapon that does appear in the game. Not to mention the less than 7000 FG42's ever produced.

The modelling of tank types presented a rather special problem, but I can't really see that the hardcoding of another smallarm would have posed such a strain on the engine.

Then again I'm not a programmer.

Cheers

Dandelion

[Pzman]

Well FG42 aren't in the game either so thats just another one to chalk up.

[Dandelion]

True, very true. Yet the FG42 is a bit of a character weapon. Like SAS jeeps. I would have accepted it's inclusion even at the cost of more common weapons, such as the G43.

Cheerio

Dandelion

[Pzman]

I would have liked to see the G43 myself, more than the FG42 simply because it was the Germans answer to the Soviet SVT, which the G41/G43 are based upon.

[Dandelion]

Can't carry my argument for the FG42, as it is entirely emotional.

Of course you're right - though I rather had the picture that the Germans had an eye on the Garand, which they encountered in mass use, unlike the SVT which appeared in enemy NCO hands only and therefore did not get the devastating effect of the Garand, as evident in Tunisia. Hm. Out on thin ice here I feel - anyway The Successful Infantry Weapon of World War II was the semiautomatic rifle, SVT and Garand being fine pieces of weaponry both. Germany aspired to equip herself with a such. Eventually she opted for a semiautomatic rifle with a full auto option useful for close quartes, the MP44. In terms of the waryears arms race, the G43 should be in the game as a natural stepping stone to the MP44.

Cheers

Dandelion

[Krautman]

Originally posted by Dandelion:

In terms of the waryears arms race, the G43 should be in the game as a natural stepping stone to the MP44.

I second that.

[Pzman]

Originally posted by Dandelion:

Can't carry my argument for the FG42, as it is entirely emotional.

Of course you're right - though I rather had the picture that the Germans had an eye on the Garand, which they encountered in mass use, unlike the SVT which appeared in enemy NCO hands only and therefore did not get the devastating effect of the Garand, as evident in Tunisia. Hm. Out on thin ice here I feel - anyway The Successful Infantry Weapon of World War II was the semiautomatic rifle, SVT and Garand being fine pieces of weaponry both. Germany aspired to equip herself with a such. Eventually she opted for a semiautomatic rifle with a full auto option useful for close quartes, the MP44. In terms of the waryears arms race, the G43 should be in the game as a natural stepping stone to the MP44.

Cheers

Dandelion

Done some reading, and the G41/43 are closer to the SVT. Look at the designs and you will see they are very similar. That said, they were designed sooner than that.

Before the start of the 2nd World War, German army had little interest in self-loafing rifles. Their tactical doctrine centered around infantry squad with MG.34 universal machine gun as primary source of firepower, supported by the riflemen with Kar.98K bolt-action rifles. By the 1941, two companies submitted the self-loading rifles for consideration of German Army - Walther and Mauser. These rifles were designates as Gewehr 41(W) and Gewehr 41(M), respectively, or G41(W) and G41(M), in short. Both rifles were somewhat similar in that they were gas-operated self-loaders, both utilizing the Bang-type annual gas pistons, located at the muzzle of the gun, within the relatively large muzzle cap. Both were fed from fixed 10-round magazines. Both rifles were tested in combat and both proved as poor performers. The Bang-type muzzle gas system was among the key sources of the problems, so, by the late 1943 Walther engineers mated the G41(W) action with the much more effective and reliable gas system of the Russian Tokarev SVT-40 rifle. The resulting design was designated as Gewehr 43, or Gew.43, or G43 in short. In the 1944 the Gew.43 was re-designated as Kar.43 (Karabiner 43, K43), with no visible changes made, and under this designation it was manufactured until the end of the war. Kar.43, made in relatively large numbers, was issued mostly as a specialist's weapon, often fitted with optical telescope sight. Like many other weapons, made during late stages of the war, the Kar.43 showed little attention to the finish in all areas, where finish was insignificant for functional needs. There were several experimental developments on the basis of Kar.43, including selective fire versions, as well as versions chambered for 7.92x33 Kurtz ammunition and adapted for Stg.44 magazines. Neither version entered production. During the early post-war period, Czechoslovak army used some Kar.43 rifles as sniper weapons.

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl12-e.htm

[ May 05, 2005, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: Pzman ]