SFJaykey Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 First, Congrats to BFC on the Wargame of the Year award! Great to see the press recognizes what we all know already! Now a Q for you guys: I am in a PBEM playing Axis, assaulting Allies, in my first game against an opponent with lots of fortifications. I have outflanked a couple of his concrete 76mm pillboxes but the FTs are slow in coming up, so I am trying to kill the first one with my panzergrenadiers. 2 turns ago a PzGrndr squad scored a "hit" on the side/rear of the pillbox with a grenade bundle. The next turn they "Assaulted", from the rear, and now appear to be _inside_ the bunker. But they have not encountered the pillbox crew, or fired any weapons, and are now just kneeling inside (apparently) the pillbox in "ready/ok" status. The pillbox still shows a red base indicating it is Soviet controlled. I have no units in front to take fire from the pillbox so don't know if it is really "dead" or not. So, what gives? Is this a "death clock" situation, and the pillbox is probably knocked out? Or can they not really enter the pillbox, and are just leaning against the rear wall having a smoke? If the latter, I suppose I will have to move them away some before targeting more grenades to avoid them blasting themselves? Can grenades or grenade bundles even kill concrete pillboxes? Thanks for the help, Matt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevermind Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 I do not know the answer to this,i could throw some assumptions/guesses at it,but wont.I was wondering though,if you could post a screen shot?I would love to see this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Or can they not really enter the pillbox, and are just leaning against the rear wall having a smoke? You cannot enter a pillbox, whether enemy or friendly, so although the graphics show your men inside they are actually outside of it. Is this a "death clock" situation, and the pillbox is probably knocked out? Bunkers and Pillboxes are coded as vehicles, so yes they do go through the death clock before dying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Could this be a question of scale? If the vehicle size option is set to 'larger than actual' then could the infantry unit be outside the actual pillbox but because the graphic is 'oversized' they appear to be inside? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer76 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Hi SF. Mort proberbly the pillbox is alive and well. Your inf will continue to "attack" the pillbox as long as they are close by it. Even if you get a "hit" it doesnt mean it's destroyed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFJaykey Posted March 6, 2003 Author Share Posted March 6, 2003 I just tried the scale hotkey and the men scale along with the pillbox, and appear to be inside at each size level. Would love to post a pic but not sure how. I think I have to put it up on a webpage somewhere and then post the link here in the forum? I have a Yahoo briefcase...would that work? To Nevermind: I have made a screenshot and if I can't post it I can email if you send your address....mine is long_nosed_stug@yahoo.com I guess I will assume the bunker is still alive and I will have to pull back and wait for the FTs. Sorry to tell you, Venjra, but they are not far behind. - Matt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 What you gotta remember is this is all abstracted somewhat. So when they throw a grenade bundle at even a pillbox, they could be trying to drop it in ventilation shafts, or through the slit, etc. I dont think your troops can enter pillboxes... If its got a red base its alive or has a few seconds left to live (dead but death clock is still tickin) Your troops can engage vehicles and pillboxes at anywhere from 20-40m depending on the range, closer too of course but thats my fav range- I like em covered up unless I know they wont get shot moving to the rear of the pillbox Hitting pillboxes from the rear seems to be the most effective tactic for killing them but that usually isnt possible to do safely in most of the situations i've encountered... Edited for head trauma [ March 06, 2003, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: Sublime ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevermind Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Originally posted by SFJaykey: Would love to post a pic but not sure how. I think I have to put it up on a webpage somewhere and then post the link here in the forum? I have a Yahoo briefcase...would that work? To Nevermind: I have made a screenshot and if I can't post it I can email if you send your address....mine is long_nosed_stug@yahoo.com - Matt I apreciate the offer,but theres no need to mail,was a passing fancy.About the yahoo breifcase,I think that would work,but they have a limit on maximum number of "views" or something.If you left it up for any length of time it would get temporarily shut down due to over use. Good luck with the FT's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFJaykey Posted March 6, 2003 Author Share Posted March 6, 2003 OK, screenshots are up at my briefcase....I don't think there'll be _too_ much interest http://briefcase.yahoo.com/sfjaykey48 - Matt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevermind Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Originally posted by SFJaykey: OK, screenshots are up at my briefcase....I don't think there'll be _too_ much interest http://briefcase.yahoo.com/sfjaykey48 - Matt That is an odd situation,ive never seen em inside like that. Get to work on that brown garden! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpig Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 I'd pull 'em back away 10 to 20 meters and then AREA TARTET the pillbox. This way, even if they've used up their grenade bundles they will continue to lob regular grenades at the pillbox. They might not be continuing to attack due to the proximity of their munitions to the actual squad. (Don't want to blow up the squad leader!) Also, a "HIT" doesn't have to mean it's KO'd. Good luck. Gpig. P.S. I too, am in the Bay area (Oakland). Garden is getting there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venjra ICQ 2126434 Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 Ok guys...Im the guys playing as the allies in this pillbox controversy. They actually spent 2 direct scherck hits on my pillbox, and yes they appear to be inside the pillbox as well, the truth is that (Taunt) they turn Yellow and ran away like madcows...!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cos Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 Originally posted by SFJaykey: OK, screenshots are up at my briefcase....I don't think there'll be _too_ much interest http://briefcase.yahoo.com/sfjaykey48 - Matt Nice garden pics there. What grass mod are you using? Odd pics indeed...I don't ever recall seeing that sort of oddity before in either game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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