Alistair C Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Hi guys, New to the forum etc etc. All the formalities over now. Now i was wondering if there is any mod out there regarding using Panthers (along with the accompanying Halftrack "Owl" and support troops "Vampir") equipped with IR devices? I know these are extremely rare and only one supposed battle happened which resulted in the destruction of a British Armoured Division. I would think that with all the "what if" scenarios that Combat Mission allows that these awesome units would be a nice addition to the German army lists... Thoughts? I will also do the same post on CM:AK as well. Cheers Alistair Australia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Unit stats and abilities are hard coded, so no mods. I rather doubt they destroyed an entire armoured division; I suspect you may have used the wrong designator there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair C Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 Hi, I don't tend to sprout facts and figures, nor invent situations. What i have mentioned above is supported from an excerpt of a book about the Panther tank. THIS REPORT AND OTHERS LIKE IT TO COME IN THE FUTURE ARE FROM GERMANY'S PANTHER TANK - THE QUEST FOR COMBAT SUPREMACY BY THOMAS L. JENTZ AND ALSO FROM OTHER SOURCES. Little story: Panthers with Infrared in Combat. Some reports tell of a late-war combat involving IR Panthers that were equipped, which encountered a British armoured division. A British unit equipped with Comet tanks was engaged in April 1945 (at night) by some solution B-type IR Panthers. In a short one-sided firefight, the entire platoon was annihilated. Some farsighted officers of the Fallingbostel armour school formed basic tactics for equipped tank units. They planned to establish special night task forces. Panthers fitted with triple IR devices formed the core of these units. These tanks had three huge armour plates welded on the engine deck, thus offering protection on the sides and rear for three infantrymen. These troops had to protect "their" Panther with MP 44 assault rifles, which could be fitted with IR devices in its final version.[Vampir]. The IR Panther would be followed into combat by Sd.Kfz. 251/21 "Falke" vehicles carrying a number of infantrymen armed with MP 44s. The attack would have been backed, whenever possible, by Sd.Kfz. 251/20s fitted with 60 cm "Uhu" IR search lights. Units that were equipped in this manner would surely have had an enormous impact on enemy units that lacked IR devices. In the Spring of 1944 about 1000 IR aiming devices were ready but army officials rejected their use. The ready and working devices were stored in a salt mine in the Harz mountains. A general was quoted as saying, "We don't need any stuff like this, our soldiers will win the war chivalrously". Extract from Panther by Thomas Anderson & Vincent Wai. Now i know there seems to be no factual evidence but this mention, along with the equipment being "common" knowledge, would seem to be an awesome mod. However, if unit stats are hard coded then i suppose there is no chance of it. Oh well. Alistair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Alistair, There is a subtle, but distinct, difference between destroying an armoured division and annihilating a comet platoon (read: troop). Regards JonS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair C Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 Yeah, point taken. My bad! Still, would be a great little addition to CM but i understand that unit stats etc are hard coded... Grr. Alistair Australia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikko H. Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Others hopefully know better, but AFAIK there has been cast considerable doubt on whether the IR Panthers ever actually saw action. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair C Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 Who is/are AFAIK? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 AFAIK= as far as i know 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Originally posted by JonS: Alistair, There is a subtle, but distinct, difference between destroying an armoured division and annihilating a comet platoon (read: troop). Regards JonS LOL I call for all right thinking members of this forum to seek out AlastairC (a subtle, yet distinct, attempt to grant himself the status of a JasonC) and kill him with hatchets. Seanachai would approve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair C Posted June 17, 2004 Author Share Posted June 17, 2004 Hey! Enough of that. I do not know who Jason C is and what he's done to deserve such derision but i don't ok! It was what i thought i reasonable question without any "fanboy, trenchcoat, C&C rts lover" elements. Anway, thanks for the (sometimes) constructive help. Cheers, Alistair (Australia, Western Australia, Perth, non "Jason C" person)....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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