Les the Sarge 9-1b Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Ok this will strike some as odd I guess. But SC is just software correct? And as such it is more or less just using a software design to simulate warfare am I still correct? Is there any chance, is it even possible, that the fundemental design of SC can be used to game out anything post WW2? How about Korea, or Perhaps Modern Europe circa 1980. Or is it possible that WW2 was the last truely grand strategy setting worth gaming out. All I am really doing her is fishing for a grand strategy game that can deliver a reasonable grand strategy game, without losing what makes the current SC appealing ie it isn't rocket science. I do not what a hopelessly detailed game with the SC label dumped on the box though. If I wanted that, I would ask the jerks that made that crummy HoI game to do a modern version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka of Carthage Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 As any potential conflict would be a "what if", do you have any suggestions on what those conflicts could be? There is always the old standby ... NATO vs WARSAW. Then the "current" conflict that is getting alot of ink these days... China vs USA. Not sure if it would be much of a match, though the Chinese military does believe using "low tech" options they could win a war with the US. A more "even" match would be a hypothetical USA vs European Union. Korean conflict is too small to be represented at the SC scale. Works more at an operational level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les the Sarge 9-1b Posted February 5, 2003 Author Share Posted February 5, 2003 I remember liking the game Supremacy. I think the game could handle a free for all mess ala Supremacy perhaps. Not entirely sure. WW3 anyone. North America vs Europe vs Russia vs China vs Africa vs South America. Who says it has to emulate current politics. 20 years from now the world will likely surpise a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piumarcobaleno Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 If you like a China-USA setting, you can try People's General, a sequel of panzer general 2. I think it has been released as freeware, try a check at www.the-underdogs.org . OK it isn't a grand strategy, just a tactical strategy but maybe it's worth a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P Wagner Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 One of my favorite old SPI war games was Fulda Gap....wouldn't mind a Nato v. Warsaw Pact game at all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les the Sarge 9-1b Posted February 6, 2003 Author Share Posted February 6, 2003 Actually to further add, that game (People's General) is indeed available as a free download (I have gotten it from here myself). http://www.peachmountain.com/5star/ It should also be noted, it is a functional download, and it likes XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve C Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Yeah, Good one ! I liked People's General. Then there's always The Operational Art of War. As I recall, there were some good Cold War scenarios. US vs. China ? That's a real can of worms, Shaka. Leaving nukes out of it for the sake of arguement, US naval / air supremacy seem like a gimme, but what kind of inventories do we carry for smart weapons ? The Chinese army is huge, and being a Communist state, I don't think they'd sweat huge losses to wear us down. The last big test of quantity vs. quality was the Russian front and we all know how that turned out. Not to say the Chinese could compete with us globally, but things would get mighty unpleasant for Taiwan, S.Korea and Japan (and Russia, India ?). Back on topic, interesting thought, Les the Sarge. I think SC is a good enough platform that a modern era version could have a lot of merit down the road, once WW2 has been fully developed. [ February 05, 2003, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: Steve C ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les the Sarge 9-1b Posted February 6, 2003 Author Share Posted February 6, 2003 Because sometimes people just don't know about the existence of some forums out there sometimes, I submit this link for the Operational Art of War fan, that might appreciate it. http://www.warfarehq.com/forums/index.php?s= They have a nice Operational Art of War sub forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les the Sarge 9-1b Posted February 6, 2003 Author Share Posted February 6, 2003 Not to put down Underdogs, but most of my downloads from them in the past, have featured files that have several layers of zipped files, that make installation a real chore. You get the game all loaded only to get "please insert cd". Even if a program is there, don't automatically assume you are going to be able to run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les the Sarge 9-1b Posted February 6, 2003 Author Share Posted February 6, 2003 Back to SC, hmm let's just go wide here. How many would like SC done for Napoleonic or Civil War or WW1 settings. No I am not specifically a fan of those settings, but I am always curious about who likes what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve C Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Hmmm. WWI might be excellent from the political standpoint,with some very interesting "what ifs" if you started out at peace anytime after 1900. And I'm a huge fan of WWI naval action. If anybody knows any good PC games on the latter topic, please clue me in. The Western Front stalemate would make for a boring affair if it happened to reproduce itself in the game, plus your technologies might or might not add to the game ("Dang, four chits on super zeppelins and nothing's happening yet !") The infant tanks and planes of the age would detract away from the rock / paper / scissors interaction of infantry / armor / air that we enjoy in SC. I kind of like your original idea, taking SC modern. All the basic building blocks are there already. But first, let's have SC2 - the definitive WW2 strategy game. [ February 05, 2003, 08:08 PM: Message edited by: Steve C ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka of Carthage Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I think Hubert should produce SC:WWI sooner than later. I don't think there are alot of WWI games out there... and whatever cash this generates would not hurt. I'm so so towards Napoleonic. At first I thought no way, scale wouldn't work out for SC. But on second thought, Sarge may have something. Russia was invaded, Spain is there, so is Egypt... but now I am back to no way, Napoleonic is at best a Grand Tactical or Operational level... so we would need a map scale change. Forget it... I just don't know! My real passion is for Ancient/Medieval. Roman Empire... barbarians "pooping up" (like partisans) and trying to invade the Empire. Instead of five nations, we would have five or more province governors. It would have to emphasize the diplomacy/economic aspects (political infighting), since the strategical combat by itself just wouldn't be enough. Heck... why not just get Hubert to make a Unit Editor and some sort of AI "script" interface, so we could do all this stuff ourselfs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P Wagner Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 For WWI, I am waiting for this: http://www.adanaccommandstudies.com/IntroTrench.html For a Napoleonic Strategy game, I am waiting for this: http://www.matrixgames.com/Games/NapoleonicWars/features.asp SC can remain in WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer39 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I for one would like to see a WWI SC come out. I think it would be very workable. I wouldn't mind seeing a civil war varient come out either. Of course this would take more work, but an easy to use and fun Civil war game is hard to find. I have both the seria titles but would quickly buy a SC type one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les the Sarge 9-1b Posted February 6, 2003 Author Share Posted February 6, 2003 WW1 stalemated for a number of reasons. All of which may or may not end up recurring in a game that will not have to follow history any more than the current SC has to follow WW2. I am not overly worried about it, any more than I am overly worried about oddities occuring in SC as it currently exists. Napoleonic would be no different. Sure the nations would allow it to be grand strategy, and sure the military weaponry would differ. But remember Calvary were employed pretty much the same as mechanised formations. The time scales might alter, but the battlefield won't really look to drastically different. Might take you a bit longer to get there from here is all. Modern will be the big challenge. Nukes, rogue nations, meddling UN politics. Information technology, real time reporting, peace protestors. Can't leave any of that out eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 JPWagner Thanks for sharing that game information. They both look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren J Pierson Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 One of my favorite board games was SPI's World War 3. I would love to see a game similar to that. I prefer global scale games, but SC would be good to move to a modern setting. I like the old NATO/WP setting, but there are a lot of possibilites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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