Andrew H. Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 I've always been a StuG fan, too. It was the most numerous German AFV, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJungnitsch Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 I've got some pretty good results for some Stug formations, ie 244th Assault Gun brigade with a record of 54 American tanks taken out for loss of 2 of their own during the Ardennes offensive. Did Stugs really have results that were that good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexford Posted April 13, 2001 Author Share Posted April 13, 2001 Since the Allied analysis is based on German tanks found in field, maybe more PzKpfw IV were removed from field by Germans to go again, while Panthers and Tigers were more difficult to pull back after K-O? Ditto for StuG III and IV. PzKpfw IV certainly seems more likely to be pulled out of exposed positions after penetration than a Tiger. Although penetration of PzKpfw IV might be more damaging. However, penetration of those 30mm sides might allow Sherman rounds to go completely thru the tank before the HE burster kicks in. Would a higher percentage of Knocked-Out Panthers and Tigers be found in field by Allies, compared to PzKpfw IV and StuG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vitalis: Man, I really feel bad for the bad rep that the Pz IV gets. It was the backbone of the Panzer tank regiments, carried the burden for years (not enough Tigers to go around and the Panther had some early teething problems). The Panther was the only tank in German service to begin knocking the mighty Pz IV from its seat. It just gets over shadowed by its Big Cat brothers. The L/48 75mm was equal to what the Soviets and the Americans had, its armor was equal or better than the Sherman and equal to the T-34. It just wasn't better than those two tanks and didn't get the fame..... But it was the hard-core grunt that got the job done. Anyway, enough sobbing over my favorite tank. I must be the ONLY German armor fan that likes the Pz IV-H better than the Panther and Tiger series. Oh, and don't even get me started on the King Tiger, I hate those damn things Sorry bout the rant Vitalis<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Don't worry. Come CM2, those PzKpfw IV's and their 75mm's will be the saviors, especially early on. Those T-34's are gonna be nasty. Still like my Big Cats though. I can already see some operations simulating Wittman's rise to fame on the Ostfront, possibly his early days starting in a StugIIIb? [ 04-13-2001: Message edited by: Warmaker ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexford Posted April 14, 2001 Author Share Posted April 14, 2001 The URL for the Saumur Intranet site is: http://musee-des-blindes.intranets.com Forgot to include this in first post. Guests are allowed to enter the intranet. Interesting threads on a number of issues, including Panther in Vietnam, 75L24 against T34 and Michael Wittmann in his StuG IIIB (first T34 kills). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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