Iron Chef Sakai Posted December 25, 2001 Share Posted December 25, 2001 Anyone heard t the Charon2C heavy tank? i have'nt up until now. i was looking for some ugly tanks to post in another thread, when i came across this. a 68 ton French tank. Was it ever used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT Posted December 25, 2001 Share Posted December 25, 2001 They were on their way to the front when the Stukas caught them on a train. Only 10 tanks were ever made and they never saw combat. Given their armor (ranging from 6 to 45mm)I doubt that they would have been decisive. French tactical armor use was crude when compared to the Germans. This tank would have simply been a large target, much like the Russian T35. MikeT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Chef Sakai Posted December 25, 2001 Author Share Posted December 25, 2001 One source said that it was 60mm thick armor in the front. that would have made a formidable opponent for any german tank at the time considering german armor of 1940 was hardly the best in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT Posted December 25, 2001 Share Posted December 25, 2001 60mm?? My resourse has it at 45mm. Well the French did have some heavily armored vehicles. Even if at 60mm I doubt that it would have made a difference. Have you seen the design? The engine was exposed. The excellent tactics of the Heer Panzers would have made mincement of such a heavy design. But we will never know. MikeT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted December 25, 2001 Share Posted December 25, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Iron Chef Sakai: Anyone heard t the Charon2C heavy tank? <hr></blockquote> Never heard of it. Are you by chance refering to the Char B-1 Bis? If so they did not do well in battle. The 66th Panzer Battalion made mince-meat of Char B1s and H39 tanks of the 1st DCR at Flavion, France. A combination of complete suprise, supperior tacktics, and taking advantage of the Char B's fatal flaw -it's huge engine grill on its side, doomed the beasts in this encounter. Others were destroyed piecmeal, as the french scattered their armor instead of concentrating it. Yet more never made it into combat, as mentioned above, captured while still on rail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted December 25, 2001 Share Posted December 25, 2001 Exactly Mike It would have been of no consequence what so ever had it been fielded. The comparatively capable tank Somua 35S that was available in some numbers and fielded in armoured units was not able to make any difference, and even less could the obese 2C. Tactically the big french tanks, just as T-34's and KV's before they were deployed correctly, amounted to nothing much more than thorns in the side of the advancing Germans columns. Dice, It looks a bit like a char B, only bigger (11 man crew), older (early 20's design) and even less efficient (45mm armour, 12 km/h max speed). M. [ 12-25-2001: Message edited by: Mattias ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Posted December 25, 2001 Share Posted December 25, 2001 It's the Char2C. It was weighted 68t, and the exact armorthickness is not know, but it was at least 60mm. It was well armed, but only 8 km/h speed. [ 12-25-2001: Message edited by: Scipio ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted December 26, 2001 Share Posted December 26, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>The excellent tactics of the Heer Panzers would have made mincement of such a heavy design. But we will never know.MikeT[/QB]<hr></blockquote> But Mike, We Will Know. (I hope). That is if BTS follows through with its schedule for "The Early Years", after CMBB. I am looking forward to trying out the experimental designs in AFVs and the tactics that never were able to be developed due to Blitzkreig. So many 'what if' situations. i.e. What if there was a French combined arms order of battle that would stand up to the Germans in a CM battle. What if you discovered it. My hopes are raised ... Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT Posted December 26, 2001 Share Posted December 26, 2001 Louie, I am also looking forward to the early period. To be honest it is far more interesting to me than the later war. MikeT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted December 26, 2001 Share Posted December 26, 2001 Mike T You know, they will need to model horses for the infamous cavalry charges vs armor. Won't that be extraordinary. equestrian Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT Posted December 26, 2001 Share Posted December 26, 2001 Will never happen since you will need horse AI as well. MikeT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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