dugfromthearth Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 I am writing up a scenario briefing. I always do these "in character". the conceit is a British General is addressing a New Zealand unit to send them into certain death. He knows they are "colonials" but not enough to know they are New Zealanders or where that is. So what sorts of things would he say that annoy New Zealanders (confusing them with Aussies and the like)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletRat Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugfromthearth Posted December 21, 2003 Author Share Posted December 21, 2003 Thanks but I already knew they got annoyed when people confused them with Australians. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinetree Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Well,telling us we are nearly as good as british regulars(thats from WW1 just after Gallipoli). Only problem with your scenario is that Gen.Freyberg, the NZ Commander,had a Charter saying that If he felt that orders from his British commanders weren't in the best interests of the Div. i.e could be slaughtered, he could refuse those orders and consult with the NZ Government. Quote from The Oxford Companion To NZ Military History: He used it in Aug 1940 to resist attempts to detatch a no. of elements of his Div. to support operations against the Italians in Cyrenica... By late 1942 British commanders were becoming accustomed to the arrangement,and to Freyberg's responsibilities as a national commander. During the Italian Campaign,some problems were experienced when Freyburg came under the command of US 5th Army commander Gen.Mark Clark at Cassino,who was less conscious of Freyberg's responsibilities to the NZ government Hope this helps [ December 22, 2003, 01:50 AM: Message edited by: Pinetree ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 How about mentioning that their highly favoured rugby team hadn't made it to the World Cup final.....again! Regards Jim R. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinetree Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Now that hurts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugfromthearth Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 okay I have New Zealanders in France, I hope that isn't a problem (history past the invention of the socket bayonet means nothing to me) British Headquarters: "Bit of a sticky wicket I'm afraid. The bridge at Gorhey is guarded by two fortresses, initial reports are that they are too strong to be taken out by any armor or artillery we have available. We may just have to delay until stronger forces can be brought forward." "If I may suggest sir, we could send infantry to assault the place at night." "Don't be mad, man. The forts are surrounded by open ground, then protected by mine fields and barbed wire. It would be a suicide mission." "Yes sir, but we have some New Zealanders we could send." "Colonials? Right, that sounds like just the thing." Briefing of the New Zealanders: "I'm sorry I haven't been able to meet with you before, but I've been hearing good things. Very good things. Reports are your colonials are almost as good as our regulars. I trust you are up to this mission. We've got a situation, not much of a problem really, I'd send my men but I don't have any available right at the moment. Simple thing. Send some engineers up to a couple of hills at night, maybe a few mines, a few strings of barbed wire, take out a pillbox or two for us and the road is clear for our tanks in the morning. Now I certainly don't want to send you New Zealanders against anything too tough for you to handle. So scout it out thoroughly and if you decide it is beyond your abilities, retreat by all means. I should have some British regulars that can take it out in a few days. Although I suppose that means the show won't be over by Christmas." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinetree Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 If you're talking about France 1917,you'd be bang-on,condescending manner and all. But if you're talking about 1944,the only Kiwis in france were RAF pilots(generally Typhoons).Besides the average kiwi soldier in WW2 would usually tell the Pommy Bastard to piss off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugfromthearth Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 okay, I'll have to switch the scenario to Italy. Basically I just have to look up some italian town and river names. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinetree Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 How about the Lamone River near Faenza?that was Nov 1944.Cassino feb-march 1944.Orsogna Dec 43-jan 44.Arno river near Florence,Aug 44.All of these places the kiwis saw some hard fighting. could you please send me the scenario when its done?It sounds like a lot of fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugfromthearth Posted December 23, 2003 Author Share Posted December 23, 2003 I only do fictional scenarios. I looked at a map of Italy and chose a town, then googled to find a river name in Italy. I have submitted it under the name Forlorn Hope to the Scenario Depot. Hopefully it will be put up tomorrow. I have changed the defenses somewhat so it will hopefully be more possible (but only slightly more possible). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinetree Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Thats OK mate,I just thought you might've wanted a few rivers and places where the kiwis actually were but when its all said and done,it is fictional,so it doesnt really matter its set.Looking forward to giving it crack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugfromthearth Posted December 23, 2003 Author Share Posted December 23, 2003 the problem is if I use the name of a place where they really were, someone will point out that it doesn't match what happened there at all. I don't want to give the impression that it will be historic in some way and then disappoint a player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinetree Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 Good point.That would be rather annoying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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