Slapdragon Posted January 7, 2001 Share Posted January 7, 2001 The recent sidetracked FOW discussion now locked for good reasons reminded me of a hotseat game I have been playing, that I wish could be coded for PBEM play. Using random terrain and weather, my opponent and I have agreed to restrict ourselves to viewpoint One. That is the ground level viewpoint and it is very interesting. First, you live the terrain, understanding its nooks and crannies much better than using 3 or 4, but you must spend a lot of time roaming it during actions to see things. With full FOW, you really have to be on the ball to keep you attacks on track or defend effectively. Even more interesting would be a FOW setting coded into the game that restricted your viewpoint to units with radios at setting one, with an abstract version of the overhead view to simulate the commanders map. Recon would really mean recon that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Dog Posted January 8, 2001 Share Posted January 8, 2001 Here, here, Slapdragon! Gotta say I really like both these interesting ideas... - Old Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyKnut Posted January 8, 2001 Share Posted January 8, 2001 Slapdragon. Do you just switch between units then rotate view as seen from then units perspective? Or do you roam the battlefield at ground level? I would think the view from each unit without raoming would be the most challeging and realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Bergman Posted January 8, 2001 Share Posted January 8, 2001 Try playing that way on a slower machine. You would probably give it up before the end of the first game, thanks to the slow scrolling times. I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted January 8, 2001 Author Share Posted January 8, 2001 We played roaming because there just is not enougfh game help for between units (ie: a zoom to unit command or a unit list). Still I agree that it would be better not roaming. I also agree on a slow machine it sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakko Ichiu Posted January 8, 2001 Share Posted January 8, 2001 Back in the day, I believe there was some discussion of using viewpoints 1 and 7 only and wearing headphones, thereby achieving Total Immersion Mode™. I think VR glasses would really put the cherry on that. ------------------ Ethan ----------- "We forbid any course that says we restrict free speech." -- Dr. Kathleen Dixon, Director of Women's Studies, Bowling Green State University [This message has been edited by Hakko Ichiu (edited 01-07-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Bergman Posted January 8, 2001 Share Posted January 8, 2001 Rereading my post I realised it sounds more negative than I meant. The idea is attractive enough that I tried it, after all. As Slapdragon says, if there was a pop-up unit list to select the next unit from, the idea would probably become viable. Actually, I would like to see a unit-list-popup key available, full stop. Would save me having to turn on those coloured bases all the time just to try to find all my stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy w/gun Posted January 8, 2001 Share Posted January 8, 2001 WOW...view 1 only. That would be so cool that I'm surprised there's no law against it! I think I'll try it out against the AI on a scenario I've already played just to expiriment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compassion Posted January 8, 2001 Share Posted January 8, 2001 Bump (don't mind me, just trying to sweep up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leshawn Campell Posted January 8, 2001 Share Posted January 8, 2001 No sweep for you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Madmatt Posted January 9, 2001 Share Posted January 9, 2001 bump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Posted January 9, 2001 Share Posted January 9, 2001 View 1 only is a grat idea! But may be with the opportunity to check a 2D Map of the battlefield. If possible, I wouldn't like to see the foe experience level(regular, veteran...)too. And I would like to have more FOW against tank('gun hit' or 'immobilisation' or 'abandonned' not always visible. I just read a book where some german soldiers in russia are attacked by a 'wrecked' KV... It would be very cool to have 'false' wreck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted January 9, 2001 Author Share Posted January 9, 2001 View 1 only with a map would not be a beginners game of course, more like something you would build as a tourney or hard core experience, especially if you restricted the action to unit POV. The game I just finished was great, and we both sweated things like mad. He had a pair of M18s, my personal favorite hit and run tank, and really did a number on my STUGs until I could blow them with a Panzerschreck team., the worst thing being that they were hard to keep track of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aka PanzerLeader Posted January 9, 2001 Share Posted January 9, 2001 I am very much in favour of SlapDragon's idea, my dream being to make CM even more a simulation than before... I have another idea(maybe for CM2), I know it has been discussed to death a long time ago(April? May?), just wanted to bring it back on topic: how come you know the map so well before a battle, especially as an attacker? Detailed maps at the tactical level were not abundant in WW2, especially on the Russian Front. So on the overall 2D map, as in SlapDragon's suggestion, there may be some approximations, such as "A river is located somewhere here", or "Medium sized village at this road junction" etc. Only the defender, who has presumably dug in and knows the battlefield well, would have access to more precise maps. There are a host of other improvements that could be done in that direction, but BTS won't put them in probably because it would scare those who don't have much experience with wargames and FOW...Maybe an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Posted January 9, 2001 Share Posted January 9, 2001 I agree and bump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted January 9, 2001 Author Share Posted January 9, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xavier: I agree and bump!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Vous êtes un officier et un monsieur Xavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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