polytropos Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 R. Atkinson, on p. 251 of his tome "Crusade", claims that, on average, a stationary American tank in WW2 had to fire around 17 rounds of ammo to hit another tank at 700m. Does anyone know if this claim is accurate? Its hard to imagine that it took 17 rounds on average to hit another tank. Did german tankers fare much better (or British, or Polish) than the Yanks or did this merely reflect the technology of the time?? Take care, Jerry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klapton Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Against a stationary or moving target? Also, are the 17 rounds needed to merely hit or to knock out the target? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Sounds weird, at that distance hitting another tank shouldn't be a problem. If 17 is the average, then in many cases even more would be required. What is his outcome based on? Battle reports, gunnery range stats or something else? Could you cite the sentence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dook Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Atkinson is talking about the development of the tank as a lead-in to his discussion of the M1A1 in the Gulf War. The sentence mentioned above compares the accuracy of a stationary American tank in WW II to a Abrams on the move, which according to Atkinson can hit a target at 2000 m with one round. The source he cites is the draft version of a US Army publication called Certain Victory: The American Army in the Gulf War (1993). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerDog Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Helo polytropos ... Here's a thread in the CMBB section that may help you. Go to the bottom of the thread and see the footnote relating to "The Range and Angular Distribution of A.P. Hits on Tanks, Ballistic Research Laboratories, Aberdeen Proving Ground MD, December 1951 (Project TB3-1224B, Memorandum Report # 590)" This study was an analysis of the range and angular distribution of casualties and hits on tanks in WW II (NW Europe). It notes number of reported tank losses for 1st US Army, 3rd US Army, and the reports from the British Army. CMBB Thread (Click Here) Regards, Badger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polytropos Posted March 12, 2003 Author Share Posted March 12, 2003 Thanks for the info. guys......I thought that 17 was completely ridiculous myself and had to check the veracity of Atkinson's stat. Take care, Jerry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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