Guest Zulu1 Posted April 14, 2000 Share Posted April 14, 2000 I picked up The Operational Art of War for $12 Cdn in a bin. Haven’t really got into it yet but it looks like fun until CM arrives (T -6 weeks and counting ). Anyway on page 124 of the manual, there’s a picture of a Sherman that looks like it has 2 main guns in the turret. Can anyone shed some light on what this vehicle is? Or is it just a trick of the photograph and there’s another tank or artillery piece behind the first one (not visible at all) so it just looks like the Sherman has 2 main guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS_PanzerLeader Posted April 14, 2000 Share Posted April 14, 2000 I think what you are referring to is a GRANT or LEE cant remember which but it had two main guns in the turret on a similar(if not same chasis) a grog can expand on this Im sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.Tankersley Posted April 14, 2000 Share Posted April 14, 2000 The M3 Medium Tank had a hull-mounted 75mm gun and a turret with a 37mm gun. The 75 was on the .... right side of the hull (IIRC) and I'm pretty sure it was in one of those sponson things with limited traverse. It wasn't really in the turret, but I can see how it might look as though it sort of comes out of the base of the turret given the high profile of US tanks of the period. [To sort of tie this in with the thread on Tanks, AGs and TDs, this was a sort of stopgap measure to get a 75mm armed tank in the field without having to immediately solve the problem of mounting such a large gun in a turret.] ------------------ Leland J. Tankersley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabot Posted April 14, 2000 Share Posted April 14, 2000 Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the Grant/Lee tanks have a 75mm mounted in the hull and a 20mm in the turret? Ooops...L.Tankersley beat me to the punch [This message has been edited by Black Sabot (edited 04-14-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted April 14, 2000 Share Posted April 14, 2000 I think what you're looking at is a flamethrower tank. One barrel for the flamethrower and one for the 75mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar Posted April 14, 2000 Share Posted April 14, 2000 There were so many Sherman variations and nearly every country that received Shermans came up with their own modifications for them. I agree with Pak40 that maybe the vehicle you're looking at is a flamethrower-equipped model. However, there was also a quad-AAA mounted model called the <a href = "http://www.cgo.wave.ca/~sbeldam/main23.htm">"Skink"</a> that got me to thinking maybe there was a dual-AAA mount, too, that you might be looking at. Ever do a look for WWII AFVs on the Web and see how many sites there are dedicated to German tanks? You'd think they had won or something! Dar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffertape Posted April 14, 2000 Share Posted April 14, 2000 I think Pak40 has it right. I'll email you a photo if I can get access to a scanner. GAFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zulu1 Posted April 14, 2000 Share Posted April 14, 2000 I think PAk40 may be right. Its definitely not an M3 Grant. The suspension is wrong for those and the 75mm sponson would be visible. Its some sort of Sherman variant for sure. The "second" main gun looks slightly smaller in calibre than the main gun. When I get home I'll scan it and post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dano6 Posted April 14, 2000 Share Posted April 14, 2000 I think what you guys are talking about is the POA-CWS-H5 flame thrower tanks. They mounted a 105mm with a flamethrower tube to the right side of the gun mantlet. These tanks were developed in 1945 and saw no action until Korea. Pretty tough a 105 and a flamethrower. Man I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that one. The normal Flame thrower M4 was the POA-CWS-H1 which used a recycled 75mm gun tube with a flamethrower unit installed inside of the gun barrel. dano6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Peltz Posted April 15, 2000 Share Posted April 15, 2000 That is the 105/flamethrower combo. I can tell by the shape of the mantlet and lifting rings that that is the 105. The "Easy-Eight" suspension and the look of the countryside makes me think Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick614 Posted April 16, 2000 Share Posted April 16, 2000 Dar That "skink" thing looks neat. I would wonder how effective it would have been in the AA role but it sure could root out some infantry. Wonder how many of them ever got into action? ------------------ Rick614 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted April 16, 2000 Share Posted April 16, 2000 Rick614, No Skinks ever saw action. The quad 20mm's are always deadly though. ------------------ Visit my webpage! http://cm4mac.tripod.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KwazyDog Posted April 18, 2000 Share Posted April 18, 2000 Especially against light armour such as a priest or halftrack. They can really be a serious threat if ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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