Owen Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 I was just wondering if anyone out there had any ideas as to which tank, out of the Comet, Pershing or Panther was the better tank overall? Taking into account gun, armour, speed, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgdpzr Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 My vote goes for the Panther. IIRC, it has superior frontal armor, mobility and gun in relation to either the Pershing or Comet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted March 8, 2000 Author Share Posted March 8, 2000 yeah but you can't argue with the Comets 90mm gun, a lot of people seem to think that the Pershing was on a par with the Tiger (although maybe not armour wise) but it was quicker. [This message has been edited by Owen (edited 03-08-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 I haven't tried out the Comet yet, but I think I would probably pick the Pershing over the Panther. Just barely though. Although it was called a "Heavy Tank" it was, by German standards at the very least, a Medium Tank. It could do some damage against a Tiger, but not to a comfortable degree. Pershings can plink Panthers and survive direct hits. Try that with a Sherman Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted March 8, 2000 Author Share Posted March 8, 2000 What about a challenge,r and did they see service by the end of the war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeekStrikeDestroy Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 Didn't the Comet have a 17 pounder (77mm)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 Challenger had the 17lbr.. it was basically a Cromwell with a humungous turret and, IIRC, an extra road wheel. Sadly, only one turret remains. (It's in Bovington) They saw service primarily with the British reconaissance squadrons, but sometimes in place of Fireflies in the TO&E. Apparently they weren't massively successful, but did 'OK' Comet's gun was a modification of the 17lbr, which had two problems. One was that it had a little bit too much kick, and required a large, strong turret and ring, with accompanying effects on hull size and weight. The other was that it was somewhat inaccurate. By reducing the strength of the gun a little bit, an acceptable compromise was reached resulting in a more usable vehicle with increased accuracy at a small cost in penetrative capabilities. As for British 90mm equivalents, I'm not sure if that accolade would fall to the 20lbr or the 32lbr. The latter was converted from an anti-air gun, much like the US 90 and the German 88, but might have been a bit too big for comparison, and was only mounted on the Tortoise TD (A massive vehicle, never saw service). To be honest, I'm really not sure about the size or history of the 20lbr. Anyone care to fill me in? Take care.. Manic Moran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 Pershing. Comet definitely comes third.. I'd say the Pershing beats the Panther out but only barely. I've had AI Pershings do a LOT of damage to a force of Tigers.. Killed about 5 of my Tigers and only lost 2 or 3 Pershings and I've used Pershings to wipe out hordes of Tigers and Panthers. Given that evidence I'd have to opt for the Pershing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 A British late-comer to WW2 that didn't get the chance to see combat was the first of the Centurion series. I don't recall exactly, but I THINK that the first Centurions mounted a 20-lbr cannon. Those would've been interesting for the Germans to face also if the war dragged on much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted March 9, 2000 Share Posted March 9, 2000 Since the Comet is quite a bit lighter than the competitors the comparison limps a bit from the outset. What the Comet was in any case was a well rounded medium tank. The gun is inferior to the 75L70 and the 90 mm but is still a good gun by W.W.II standards. The 17 pounder "light" carried by the Comet had a calibre of 76.2 mm to be exact, just as the big brother. The designation "77mm" was given in order to prevent any mix-up between the ammo for this gun and that used in the "real" 17 pounder. The reasons behind the development of the weapon has already been explained above by Trooper. The first Centurions (A4I) mounted the 17 pounder, the 20 gun came later. The calibre of the latter gun was 84mm. In the Panther vs. Pershing battle Id put my vote on the Panther, again by a thin margin. The advanced 90mm ammo seems nasty, at least on paper, but the power to weight ratio of the Pershing looks a bit on the low side considering the relatively equal level of armour protection. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KwazyDog Posted March 9, 2000 Share Posted March 9, 2000 Hmmmmmmmm, Ill take a King Tiger Seriously though, those Pershings are tough little buggers from the front. I have a very similiar situation Fionn (suprise suprise ), but I didnt kill one of the buggers, only damaged a gun. Hehe, the other player then decided to a bit over eager and drove then though a forest path and started loosing them to side Panzerfaust shots. The bottom line is that the Pershing is one the Germans really need to pay attention to, she aint no Sherman like Steve said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted March 9, 2000 Share Posted March 9, 2000 Hmm...with my limited knowledge I'd put my money on the Panther. The Comet was a nice tank as was the Pershing but I still think the Panther could take em. Panther was an all around great tank and consistency is good in war (Unless you're losing of course). ------------------ Visit my webpage! http://cm4mac.tripod.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider Posted March 14, 2000 Share Posted March 14, 2000 Some British tank troops had a challenger as lead tank to fireflys, both had a 17 pounder gun, the comet had a 17 pounder in a model i have so id assume it does in real life too. ------------------ This is my rifle, this is my gun. This ones for killing, this ones a tasty alternative to turkey at christmas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider Posted March 14, 2000 Share Posted March 14, 2000 17 pounder "short" to be exact. ------------------ This is my rifle, this is my gun. This ones for killing, this ones a tasty alternative to turkey at christmas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werfer Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 Spook, I think you might be referring to the "Black Prince" that kinda resembled the Churchill series. Armed with 17pdr and super heavy armor (150mm front plate), along with horribly slow speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 As designed in 1943, the Centurion was supposed to carry the 17lbr gun, so in this, Spook is correct. By the time it was ready in 1945, the 20lbr was about available, so I'm not actually sure how many Mk1s with the 17lbr were produced. That said, you are correct in that Black Prince was in effect a Churchill with a 17lbr. IIRC they didn't make as much as a half dozen of 'em, Manic Moran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 The 20 pounder gun was finally fitted into a cromwell chassis(Challenger version)in 52 designated "charioteer" The Us had tried to produce a 90mm super hellcat to stem the panzers. ------------------ This is my rifle, this is my gun. This ones for killing, this ones a tasty alternative to turkey at christmas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Deych Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 As long as we're talking about essentially after-war tanks, how would T-54 compare to various late-WWII tanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 kick ass, ------------------ This is my rifle, this is my gun. This ones for killing, this ones a tasty alternative to turkey at christmas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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