Apaches over Karbala,Iraq. Another take on that night action

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Apache operations over Karbala

By Robert Hewson

A force of around 32 AH-64D 'Longbow' Apache attack helicopters were sent on a deep strike mission in the vicinity of Karbala on the night of 23-24 March.

The Apaches entered the so-called 'Red Zone', in advance of ground units of the 3rd Infantry Division, where Centcom planners believed that between eight and 10 Iraqi divisions were formed up in a defensive ring around Baghdad. Karbala is about 113km southwest of Baghdad and the attack occurred around the nearby village of Abu Mustafe, north of Hillah.

The Apaches were on a textbook mission: a co-ordinated strike during the hours of darkness to sweep away Iraqi mechanised forces and prepare the ground for the US advance. The intention would have been to engage vehicle and infrastructure targets at a safe stand-off distance, relying chiefly on the Apache's long-range Hellfire missiles. Instead the Apache force became engaged in a dangerous melee during which the helicopters were checked by unprecedented (and certainly unexpected) ground fire. The unit was unable to undertake a speedy withdrawal from that fire and suffered heavy damage without making a serious impact on the Iraqi armour.

While no crews were seriously injured, 31 of the 32 Apaches sustained combat damage, some of it serious. A crash on landing destroyed one of the aircraft after it had returned to base. Another AH-64D came down in enemy territory and its crew was captured and held until the end of the conflict.

Even though commanders in the field knew exactly where the lost aircraft was, it was not destroyed to keep it out of enemy hands as it should have been.

The good performance of Apache units in the deep strike role during Operation 'Desert Storm' in 1991 must have been in the minds of those who planned the Karbala mission. However, the successes of 'Desert Storm' have not been repeated. The 24 AH-64A Apaches sent to Albania in preparation for operations over Kosovo during Operation 'Allied Force' in 1999 were not deployed because of fears of their vulnerability. During fighting in Afghanistan in 2001, eight Apaches that were launched on a mission in support of Operation 'Anaconda' sustained serious damage from enemy ground fire.

Official US reports of the Karbala action emphasise a significant level of Iraqi preparedness. Reportedly, Iraqi agents were monitoring the Apaches at their forward aircraft refuelling point and called warnings of their departure on cellular phones.

Another issue for Army Apaches is their tendency to come to the hover and stop before shooting. This is largely a function of the laser-guided Hellfire which needs an uninterrupted line-of-sight between the designator and the target.

The experience of the Apache crews at Karbala stands in contrast to the US Marine Corps AH-1W SuperCobras. The Marine Cobras were used intensively in the close support role in what was always a high-risk environment. None were lost to enemy action and they were highly praised by the US and British Commanders who tasked them. The Cobras, armed with Hellfires as well as TOW missiles, never stayed still over Iraq - in fact they speeded up.

The US Army's OH-58D Kiowa Warriors had a similar approach. As one experienced pilot said: "It is all about training and adapting to your environment. You'll never catch me hovering. If you want to stay alive, you've got to keep moving."

[Kammak]

Fascinating article and very timely. In regards to TacOps, I was literally about to post that I've had more success with attack helos by keeping them at Medium Altitude and continually moving, instead of doing the 15 second "popup". Very interesting that the Cobras do that in real life already!

It looks like the Major was ahead of the times when coding the SAM vs. helo routines!

[Redwolf]

Nice find, thanks!

I have two questions for those in the know:

So if the helicopters keep moving they risk losing guidance for an in-flight missile. What does a hellfire do when it loses guidiance? Will it impact and explode whereever it goes down? Is there some kind of self-destruction mechanism or maybe it is disarmed when losing contact?

Of course, the risk of losing sight is lower when staying at medium altitude, but I doubt it goes down to zero.

What is the current state of knowledge of the aborted Apache missions in Kosovo? Last the question came up it was assumed it was a complex mix of lack of readiness, lack of airfields near enough to possible targets and the airforce being very conservative with giving out any airspace. I didn't see fear of ground fire mentioned before. Anybody has some newer info on this?

[minmax]

A missile that is being laser guided will go "stupid" nose up and slam into the ground when it stalls out.

My question is sense mast mounted sights are a norm I see a pop up to release the missile then hover behind cover keeping mast mounted site / laser designator on the target so only that saucer shaped do-lolly is exposed. Is someone telling me the Longbow only mounts a designator in the nose?

Will about 8 to 9000 meter range a good stand-off distance is key. Most Sam's that IR seek from the shoulder are short range and Radars would lose a hovering Helo in ground clutter sounds like these guys wandered into a fire sack.

Helicopters are always going to be in danger of even small arms fire b/c rotors are delicate little creatures. You can armor the craft but the mount and rotors are sitting ducks.

Marine Cobras prolly popped up fired and then did a lateral move to guide and move at the same time. The key is keeping a clear line of sight for the Gunner.

hey keep in mind the Mujahaddin (spelling?) in Afghanistan were hell on Soviet Helos with rocks and ropes.

The more complicated you make the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the pipes

Scottie- Star Trek III (I think)

[Coyote]

Originally posted by minmax:

My question is sense mast mounted sights are a norm I see a pop up to release the missile then hover behind cover keeping mast mounted site / laser designator on the target so only that saucer shaped do-lolly is exposed. Is someone telling me the Longbow only mounts a designator in the nose?

TacOps doesn't quite model the "Longbow" system. The laser designator in the nose is for laser-guided Hellfires, the mast mounted antenna is for the millimeter wave "Longbow" Hellfire. One Longbow Apache exposes only its antenna to locate and designate targets. Other Longbow aircraft get their firing information from the designating aircraft and fire from even farther back. No one pops up, only the one antenna is ever exposed to the enemy. No idea how reliable all this is in practice, but the operational concept is frighteningly simple.