Keith Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 I have read that the Americans developed specific techniques to deal with the hedgerows in Normandy. Specifically it involved : 1) Having an engineer squad blast a hole through a hedgerow sufficient for a tank to move through 2) The tank moves through the edge of the hole and supporting MG teams move up to provide suppressing fire. 3) The infantry pass through the hole and attacks along the edges of the hedgrow. 4) Repeat My question is, will engineer squads be able to blast holes through the hedgerows? I think such capablility would enhance modeling hedgerow fighting and allow for realistic tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffertape Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 And don't forget the welded 'teeth' mounted on some Shermans and Stuarts designed to breach the hedgerows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabot Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 And the 2000 plane carpet bombing missions that started Operations Goodwood and Cobra. I'm pretty sure they busted a few holes in the hedgerows. ------------------ "I do like to see the arms and legs fly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TURBO Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 And in thier own infantry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Keith: I have read that the Americans developed specific techniques to deal with the hedgerows in Normandy. Specifically it involved : 1) Having an engineer squad blast a hole through a hedgerow sufficient for a tank to move through 2) The tank moves through the edge of the hole and supporting MG teams move up to provide suppressing fire. 3) The infantry pass through the hole and attacks along the edges of the hedgrow. 4) Repeat My question is, will engineer squads be able to blast holes through the hedgerows? I think such capablility would enhance modeling hedgerow fighting and allow for realistic tactics.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Did you do a search? I think this one has been discussed quite extensinvely. If you want to read up on it, Michael Doubler's 'Closing with the enemy' is the book to go for. ------------------ Andreas The powers of accurate perception are often called cynicism by those who do not possess them. (forgot who said it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Madmatt Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 "Death Traps" also has some interesting comments on the whole subject from some of the guys that MOUNTED the 'INSERT HORNED ANIMAL NAME HERE' onto Allied armored units... Great book too by the way... Madmatt ------------------ If it's in Combat Mission, it's on Combat Mission HQ! CMHQ-Annex, The Alternative side of Combat Mission Combat Mission HQ CMHQ-Annex Proud members of the Combat Mission WebRing [This message has been edited by Madmatt (edited 06-08-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Galanti Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 Here's the answer about the 'Rhino' attachements (though I think I remember reading somewhere that they won't be shown graphically on the tanks) www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/000388.html Here's one that answers the otehr questions about bocage (and also mentions the Rhinos) www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/002878.html Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 From what I remember from various books (sources are at home), there were several techniques that were developed by both the Americans and British for dealing with bocage. Most of these were unit-specific. The one you describe was relatively effective, but it was found that if was to be replicated theater-wide the amount of explosives needed would prohibitive. The technique that was most widely (and successfully) used was field modifying AFVs with steel rams that would allow the tanks to penetrate the bocage. I believe (and as mentioned above you should search) that CM models this by allowing allied tanks to move trough hedgerow terrain while other vehicles can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark IV Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 One of the points of Doubler's book is that there was no "one" theater-wide solution to the bocage. Individual units and teams came up with their own solutions, and some of them caught on. One that was used a lot, was two steel pipes welded on the front of the tank. The tank rammed the earthen base of the hedge and backed away. Engineers then stuffed explosive into the deep holes made by the pipes (they even pre-stuffed the explosives into expended 105 cases to facilitate this) and blew the hedge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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