JOCHEN PEIPER Posted July 27, 2000 Share Posted July 27, 2000 My Grandfather was in this division during the war... And i know you can't exactly put them into this theatre of war... However in CM2 it would be nice to fight as my grandfathers division. Horses against tanks, MMMMMM? Although i have read they were mostly motorized... Doh! BAD IDEA. I just remembered what happened to the Polish cavalry in 1939... "Do you think our Hitler Youth Leader will put a song on for us,, The Tipparary song if you have no objections" JURGEN PROCHNOW, "DAS BOOT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mensch Posted July 27, 2000 Share Posted July 27, 2000 two words.. oh oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oberly Posted July 27, 2000 Share Posted July 27, 2000 Much as it disgusts me to post to one of these threads,wasn't this the calvary division that specialised in 'einsatz' operations?IIRC,this unit didn't even see combat,but was used to murder civilians behind the front.I may be mistaken,but I believe this is that unit. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DesertFox Posted July 27, 2000 Share Posted July 27, 2000 Mike, Without doubt it is. "Florian Geyer" has some record of committed atrocities while on security duties behind the lines in Russia against partisans. And also after front-line combat they were rested in Croatia and were again employed on anti-partisan duties in the Southern Balkans. And again they were implicated in numerous atrocities. IIRC the only SS-Division without numerous atrocities was 5th SS Panzer Division Wiking. Even the Russians admitted this at the end of the war. But of course there is still the possibility that something ugly hasn´t come to light yet. However, it definitively is true that the Waffen-SS had a...ermmm...somewhat distorted relation to the Hague Convention, to put it mildly. But it is also true that you can´t judge people by only their membership to a certain division. Many late war soldiers of Waffen-SS divisions weren´t voluntarily serving in the SS but were ordered there and came from the Navy or Luftwaffe. So there´s no black and white. Helge ------------------ Sbelling chequed wyth MICROSOFT SPELLCHECKER - vorgs grate! - The DesertFox - Email: desertfox1891@hotmail.com WWW: http://www.geocities.com/desertfox1891 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oberly Posted July 27, 2000 Share Posted July 27, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>However, it definitively is true that the Waffen-SS had a...ermmm...somewhat distorted relation to the Hague Convention, to put it mildly. But it is also true that you can´t judge people by only their membership to a certain division. Many late war soldiers of Waffen-SS divisions weren´t voluntarily serving in the SS but were ordered there and came from the Navy or Luftwaffe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks,Helge.Yes,I wasn't judging any individuals,more taking exception that this was an actual combat unit.The 'Kavellerie' designation is more a euphemism. But I believe that this division did much of its 'work' in the first two years of the Russian war,before the SS resorted to drafting just anyone. I have some info on this division,but I can't recall which book,and I haven't been able to locate it in the index of the most likely books. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen2 Posted July 27, 2000 Share Posted July 27, 2000 I know some (now old) people of the Florian Geyer Division. The horses were reality - No trucks - still horses. Ideal for fighting against partisans. Those horses stood far away behind the frontline, but for transport and recon they were used. Florian Geyer had heavy fightings against the russians - and against partisans. Nothing is good, what happend to civilians by the SS, but, believe me, what the partisans did, wasn´t either very human. I don´t wanna bring up a discussion about warcrime. But, especially for the Waffen-SS, my grandfather was in the Prinz Eugen Division, "by is own will"!!! - Oh my god, he was there by his own will. like many, many other native Germans (Volksdeutsche) who lived in Hungary, Yougoslawia..., they were all by the Waffen-SS by "their own will"! As you can see by my writing, this is still not true. My grandfather was forced to go, he wasn´t proud to be a SS-Soldier, he was taken as a POW by the US, they gave him to the Yougos, they hold him for 7 years in the mines of Bor. He came back as a ill, broken and disappointed man, without any property, medal or anything else but his live. And, please, still remember, he didn´t wanna go to war. O.k. that´s enough now, but i remember his words: "Boy, never, never go to the army. Never be so silly to be shot for those, who earn money with their war". Well, so i play CM today and i´m happy not to be in a real war, nor in this time period of WWII. Greetings from Germany Jochen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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