Bastables Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Ubique = Old latin meaning "everywhere" or ubi= where + que= generlising, a particle or 'thing'. That parochial animosity of different arms of the military is omnipresent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonS Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Translation is correct interpretation, well, not what I was looking for, but not bad. Bastables get 5 points Who's next? Jon ------------------ Ubique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GriffinCheng Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 BTS said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>There are VERY few commanders that have high marks in all three. I would say that Hauser scores very well in all three. Someone like Rommel or Patton scores HUGELY the second and third, but only decently in the first.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That is why Rommel is one of my most favourite. BTW, where can I find references (books/web site) to Hauser? How about Guderian and von Manstein? Griffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Ah, you redlegger, you. Got something to do with an artillery site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonS Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 sort of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 the links page for the fraternity of cannon cockers world wide ... in deference to Berl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Oh I get it, Arty itself is omnipresesent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonS Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 OK, pull up your chairs for a history lesson British Regiments have battle flags (like most nations) upon which they emblazon their battle honours (again, like most nations). The Royal Regiment of Artillery was no exception, until sometime during the Napoleanic Wars. Since all Gunners belonged to the same regiment, and because whereever the British Army went they made sure to take along a few gunners, the RA amassed itself quite a tidy collection of batle honours. Too many in fact to put on the Regimental Flag. Even if they'd had two flags. So, at some stage in the early 1800s the reigning British Monarch removed the Flag, and all the battle honours at the same time. "Erk!" went the gunners, "that can't be fair" In their place the Guns became the Colours of the Regiment, and too-numerous-to-mention battle honours were replaced with the single word "Ubique", which means - as Bastables noted - "Everywhere" This is meant to denote that whereever the Army has fought and distinguished itself, so too has the artillery. Brings a lump to your throat doesn't it? ("lump", not "chunks". Blimmin grunts...) Which brings me back to the start. Moriaty said <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>artillery without groundpounders never wins<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> to which I reply vice-versa Thanks JonS ------------------ Ubique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonS Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Bingo Just in time Bastables claims the ten points. Now, about that Sigs thing ... ever thought about a Corps change ... ? Jon ------------------ Ubique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Did they really say, "Erk." Thanks for the Hx lesson. Enjoyed it. Geez, Berl, this has been great fun. What kinda trouble you gonna cook up next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Very nice history lesson indeed! As for sources on generals, I don't have many specific ones to list off. But here are a couple... There is a book entitled "Hitler's Generals". Forget who authored it, but that is a good overview of a large number of generals. You can also read the autobiography of my pick for most brillian senior level commander in WWII, von Manstien. It is entitled "Lost Victories". A good biography of Guderian is "Guderian - Creator of the Blitzkrieg" by Kennth Macksey. There is a great biography of Sepp Dietrch but the name escapes me for the moment. A great (but a bit dull) "History of the German General Staff" by Goerlitz will give you a fantastic view into the importance of the General Staff officers and the establishment as a whole from inception to destruction. I think the latter is out of print, don't know about the others. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GriffinCheng Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Thank you for all the informative posts The book on Sepp Dietrich may be "Hitler's Gladiator : The Life and Times of Oberstgruppenfuhrer and Panzergeneral-Oberst Der Waffen-Ss Sepp Dietrich" by Charles Messenger. BTW, I have got the Chinese-translated edition of "Hilter's General" published by Taiwan but I have not read it yet. Griffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 The neandro-luddite-grunt (NLG) said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Usually, the safest place on a battlefield in where arty is shooting. Been that way since you guys stopped loading your guns from the front.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I think the poor NLG has his facts confused here. While smallarms fire (hint: that's what grunts do ) accuracy may well have declined since the days of the Brown Bess and volleys at 20 paces, the more intelligent cannoncockers have learned to achieve over 80% first-shot kills even on targets well beyond all human observation, and this under appalling battlefield conditions. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>This no doubt comes from those soft beds and hot chow you get in the rear<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hmmm. The arty recruits smart people who realize the military value of new technology and can learn how to use it to best effect. Is it then surprising that these same people take advantage of 1) trucks, and 2) the long range of their weapons, to position themselves closer to the necessities of life? War is Hell, but you don't have to be stuck on the lowest level of it . <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I bet you're the reincarnation of Blind King John of Bohemia Please, Fredrich... got to love a guy who makes his grenadiers march into the attack on Austrian artillery with their arms shouldered<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No, I think Blind King John is more your type. He was in one of the innumerable waves of the futile French assault against the English at Crecy. He'd been blinded in battle years before but this didn't bother him. And despite this, and the utter ruin of French chivalry surrounding him, he still ordered his retainers to lead him towards the enemy. He was killed, of course. He is the archetypical NLG As for those Prussian grenadiers, Freddy wasn't "der Grosse" for nothing. All great commanders know their troops, and FdG knew he had an army of NLGs. He knew they couldn't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, let alone march and shoot simultaneously. Besides, he knew they couldn't hit anything anyway, or figure out how to reload, which is why he had their bayonets permanently attached to their muskets. But they were NLGs, so he knew they'd enjoy marching into the Cannon's Mouth. This is the real basis for the above orders. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Bullethead and I both Marines.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Damn straight! Semper Fi! Us cannoncockers exist only to support grunts. Geez, doesn't that sound like Marvin's problem "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"? -Bullethead [This message has been edited by Bullethead (edited 01-19-2000).] [This message has been edited by Bullethead (edited 01-19-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Hmm, hate to break up the cocker love-fest (almost sounds x-rated doesn't it? ) but MANY times infantry have won battles without artillery versus enemy with artillery. Also, many times the cannoncockers are sleeping in or taking up the comsat's bandwidth with more downloadable porn and totally miss the battle You can't help win a battle you aren't even near or awake for ------------------ ___________ Fionn Kelly Manager of Historical Research, The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted January 19, 2000 Share Posted January 19, 2000 Fionn said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>MANY times infantry have won battles without artillery versus enemy with artillery.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> "Many" as in a number greater than most grunts can count to, but "few" when compared to the total number of battles ever fought, or the number of times the cannon-less forces have been uttery destroyed <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Also, many times the cannoncockers are sleeping in or taking up the comsat's bandwidth with more downloadable porn and totally miss the battle<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hey, you gotta have your priorities straight . Besides, you know how the Devil finds work for idle hands. If we didn't let the grunts brawl every once in a while, they'd start wandering back to our "comfort zone" trying to steal our booze, food, porn, and smokes . -Bullethead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted January 19, 2000 Author Share Posted January 19, 2000 Booze, food, porn, and smokes? You bastards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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