spider Posted April 27, 2000 Share Posted April 27, 2000 They wont have died in vain...... "i dont want to face those jerry machineguns without my stick..." blackadder goes forth ------------------ This is my rifle, this is my gun. This ones for killing, this ones a tasty alternative to turkey at christmas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Tiger Posted April 27, 2000 Share Posted April 27, 2000 Doug... i have seen in a wwII documentation.. I saw a crew of a IG18 7,5cm on a massive, old Stonebuilding shooting. I was verry astonished , which harm this small gun can arrange. A complete halfside (or more the corner) has collapsed fully. At the latest after the first shoot, i would be already somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted April 27, 2000 Share Posted April 27, 2000 While infantry in buildings enjoy some protection from HE near misses/shrapnel/etc, they run the risk of a HE round entering the window or door of the room they are in. In the confines of a room, even a small HE shells effect is magnified. This is another benefit of using longer barreled weapons against infantry. A tank or SP can probably put a round into a window at 500 yards within a few rounds. Infantry would probably vacate the premises for safer digs like a trench in such a situation. I have read of german tankers using muzzle blast to clear out a building. They would literally stick the muzzle brake into a window and fire. It wouldnt matter if it were HE or AP. The blast near the end of the gun is terrific (and about 200 decibels too). Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider Posted May 1, 2000 Share Posted May 1, 2000 getting that close to infantry has to be dangerous.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucero1148 Posted May 1, 2000 Share Posted May 1, 2000 Iggi, You ask about personal experience. I'm a photojournalist and back in 1989 during the last coup attempt against the Aquino gov't, rebel rangers took over the Makati business district. So you had a classic urban close combat action here. I was on a rooftop with a squad of SWAT soldiers from the Philippine Constabulary (PC). Our position came under heavy sniper fire and the PC were returning fire (3 or 4 out of the 12 there). To make a long story short (I have a full account at: wirephoto.com/lucero) after we suffered one wounded (me) and one dead (PC) our building got hit by a 57mm recoilless rifle. The building felt like it got hit by an earthquake and the dust rose like a fog it seemed. The PC panic and they literally bugged out in 2 seconds flat, with one of them screaming "we're going to be by mortars, get out!" The rebel rangers in control of Makati eventually surrendered a few days later but if the gov't hadn't negotiated the peace and decided to go in with troops to take them out it would have been bloodier for the gov't. The rebs would have fought till they ran out of ammo or to the last man. Morale on the gov't side wasn't very high from what I could see and mostly were in positions to contain the rebs and although they were firing on the rebs during the hottest part of the fighting in the end the rebs in Makati suffered no casualties but the dead and wounded from the gov't troops and especially civilians were over 150. So to answer your question from my little experience espirit de corps would be a deciding factor on whether a unit stands and fight even under direct fire from a tank or recoiless rifle fire! Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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