-tink- Posted October 13, 2000 Share Posted October 13, 2000 I have only played CM a few times, but the other night a buddy and I were hotseating it, and we both felt that the gun accuracy on both allied and german tanks was far too good for the distances and relative speeds of the respective AFV's. He and I both have played tactical games i.e. Squad Leader, Panzer Strike, And Steel Panthers, for years now. Was it just a fluke, or are the crews far more accurate than their real life counterparts? Granted we have only played one random scenario, so maybe it will even out, but his IIIj took my sherman out at 500+ meters while the sherman was moving fast, but before the sherman died it took out one of his puma's(500+ meters) while the sherman was moving fast. Is this accurate? Thanks. ------------------ "Reality is created by the participation of the participants."- John Wheeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Eyes Posted October 13, 2000 Share Posted October 13, 2000 tink - There are MANY threads on this forum debating this very subject. Check them out and join the party, but I would recommend that you not compare other games to CM. There's no comparison. ------------------ It is easy to be brave from a safe distance. -Aesop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.Tankersley Posted October 13, 2000 Share Posted October 13, 2000 LOL, if you've got some time on your hands you might want to peruse the "88 KwK accuracy test" thread. Many people seem to feel that accuracy in CM is too low rather than the reverse, but compelling evidence is still lacking (for me at any rate). But in general, drawing sweeping conclusions about internal probabilities based on one or two events is likely to lead you astray. Trends over many engagements are what is important. ------------------ Leland J. Tankersley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-tink- Posted October 13, 2000 Author Share Posted October 13, 2000 Thanks Snake Eyes! I figured that this is old business, but since I am am green I wanted to hear some vets opinions on the subject. ------------------ "Reality is created by the participation of the participants."- John Wheeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted October 16, 2000 Share Posted October 16, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -tink-: I have only played CM a few times, but the other night a buddy and I were hotseating it, and we both felt that the gun accuracy on both allied and german tanks was far too good for the distances and relative speeds of the respective AFV's. He and I both have played tactical games i.e. Squad Leader, Panzer Strike, And Steel Panthers, for years now. Was it just a fluke, or are the crews far more accurate than their real life counterparts? Granted we have only played one random scenario, so maybe it will even out, but his IIIj took my sherman out at 500+ meters while the sherman was moving fast, but before the sherman died it took out one of his puma's(500+ meters) while the sherman was moving fast. Is this accurate? Thanks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The other posts in this thread have suggested you might want to read the contents of a few other threads here as well. I have commented alot about this lately. At the ranges you describe I think your chance to hit % coud be as high as 40 - 50% , that almost 50/50 or 1 in 2 so in the encounter you talked about you probably got lucky., If you have played other board game wargames I'm sure you know the "six sided Demon" has settled more than a few scenario's with the unluckiest side losing. Well tank gunnery in CM has alot to do with Luck as well and in both cases you mention you and your friend both got lucky. What the other threads about this issue are discussing is the long range accuracy and what I believe is the lack of a realistic second and third shot chance to hit increase in accuracy for an accquired target at long range. Keep playing CM and watch how many times at the same range your tank misses 2 or 3 shots in row then gets nailed and KO'd by the enemy with his first shot. It happens, and it will likely tick you off when it does. Those are just my personal opinions and many others here includeing BTS disagree me, but thats ok -tom w [This message has been edited by aka_tom_w (edited 10-16-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhammer Posted October 16, 2000 Share Posted October 16, 2000 Where did you get a PzKw IIIj? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wamers Kahlenberg Posted October 16, 2000 Share Posted October 16, 2000 How bout this one. a Allied Hellcat killing 2 strumighruiz tank (not spelled right) and a tiger tank late edition in one turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted October 16, 2000 Share Posted October 16, 2000 Since I haven't put many postings in these accuracey threads, perhaps it should be noted that IMO accuracy is waaayy too good when the shooter is moving, too god when the target is moving, and a bit low when both are stationary. Now I've said that... Olle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted October 16, 2000 Share Posted October 16, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -tink-: He and I both have played tactical games i.e. Squad Leader, Panzer Strike, And Steel Panthers, for years now. Was it just a fluke, or are the crews far more accurate than their real life counterparts?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Welcome, and I love this juxtaposition... ------------------ Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Eyes Posted October 16, 2000 Share Posted October 16, 2000 I'm currently playing a QB game. On the very first turn one of my M10's damaged the gun of a Tiger Ie(late) with its very first shot at 644m. It then bounced two other rounds off the Tiger's hull before penetrating with regular AP. When my opponent's second Tiger Ie was located I attacked it with two M10's and a M4(105). The Tiger shrugged off all hits, front and side, then dispatched all three assailants. It has since brewed-up another M4(105) and an M8 GMC and shaken off numerous bazooka hits. Go figure. ------------------ It is easy to be brave from a safe distance. -Aesop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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