Tom Servo Posted May 13, 2000 Share Posted May 13, 2000 I can start it up, choose the scenario and stuff, but then when it goes to load the scenario, it says "Loading 3d Graphics" or something, and it freezes after about 30 seconds. Now, I'm assuming this is because I don't have a 3d-card, but I ran the beta w/ out one. I'm sorry if this has been discussed already, I just don't seem to have patience these days to use the search function. Sorry ahead of time. Let me know. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted May 13, 2000 Share Posted May 13, 2000 I noticed something similar, but not quite as grim. When I try to start the Gold Demo, the program exits without any error message, returning me to the Finder. This occurs on a Power Macintosh G3, 266 MHz (and also on a 300 MHz machine). These are the original beige G3 machines, running MacOS 9.0.4. The graphics card is made by ATI and runs the Mach 64. Slightly different models of card in the two machines. More details: Software overview Mac OS overview Finder: 9.0 System: 9.0.4 US Active enabler: PowerPC Enabler 9.0.4 9.0.4 QuickTime: 4.0.3 File sharing: is on Multiple Users: 1.1 Memory overview Disk cache: 3 MB Virtual memory: 97 MB Used on volume: Zuma Built-in memory: 96 MB Hardware overview Machine ID: 510 Model name: Power Macintosh G3 series Keyboard type: Apple Extended Keyboard Attributes: Audio card Processor info: PowerPC G3 Machine speed: 266 MHz Nanokernel version: 2.13 Nanokernel pool extends: 0 Nanokernel scheduled CPUs:1 PCI Slot $F1 Display card Card type: display Card name: ATY,mach64_3DU Card model: ATY,GT-B Card ROM #: 113-XXXXX-1.1 Card revision: 154 Card vendor ID: 1002 VRAM size: 6 MB Display Screen Size (pixels): 1024 x 768 Grays/Colors: Millions Resolution (dpi): 72 x 72 Additional Information: Main screen Selected Extensions: Apple IX3D Graphics Accelerator • 1.0.4 200K 6/13/98 at 1:00:00 PM Apple IX3D RAVE Engine • 1.0.4 44K 6/13/98 at 1:00:00 PM ATI Driver Update • 1.5.3 716K 1/8/00 at 12:00:00 PM ATI MPP Manager • 1.2f1 60K 4/29/99 at 12:00:00 PM ATI Rage 128 3D Accelerator • 5.8.1 724K 1/22/00 at 12:00:00 PM ATI Resource Manager • 2.4.8 180K 2/10/00 at 12:00:00 PM ATI Video Accelerator • 4.4.7 156K 1/10/00 at 12:00:00 PM ATI Graphics Accelerator * • 4.9.4 560K 1/21/00 at 12:00:00 PM DrawSprocketLib * • 1.7.3 120K 12/7/99 at 12:00:00 PM QD3DCustomElements * • 1.6 20K 9/13/99 at 12:00:00 PM QuickDraw™ 3D * • 1.6 1.21 MB 9/13/99 at 12:00:00 PM QuickDraw™ 3D IR * • 1.6 212K 9/13/99 at 12:00:00 PM QuickDraw™ 3D RAVE * • 1.6 288K 9/13/99 at 12:00:00 PM QuickDraw™ 3D Viewer * • 1.6 124K 9/13/99 at 12:00:00 PM SoundSprocket Filter * • 1.7.1 76K 9/8/99 at 12:00:00 PM SoundSprocketLib * • 1.7.1 24K 9/8/99 at 12:00:00 PM ------------------ Tom Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pford Posted May 13, 2000 Share Posted May 13, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tar: I noticed something similar, but not quite as grim. When I try to start the Gold Demo, the program exits without any error message, returning me to the Finder. This occurs on a Power Macintosh G3, 266 MHz (and also on a 300 MHz machine). These are the original beige G3 machines, running MacOS 9.0.4. The graphics card is made by ATI and runs the Mach 64. Slightly different models of card in the two machines. More details: Software overview Mac OS overview Finder: 9.0 System: 9.0.4 US Active enabler: PowerPC Enabler 9.0.4 9.0.4 QuickTime: 4.0.3 File sharing: is on Multiple Users: 1.1 Memory overview Disk cache: 3 MB Virtual memory: 97 MB Used on volume: Zuma Built-in memory: 96 MB Hardware overview Machine ID: 510 Model name: Power Macintosh G3 series Keyboard type: Apple Extended Keyboard Attributes: Audio card Processor info: PowerPC G3 Machine speed: 266 MHz Nanokernel version: 2.13 Nanokernel pool extends: 0 Nanokernel scheduled CPUs:1 PCI Slot $F1 Display card Card type: display Card name: ATY,mach64_3DU Card model: ATY,GT-B Card ROM #: 113-XXXXX-1.1 Card revision: 154 Card vendor ID: 1002 VRAM size: 6 MB -del- <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I notice that the following cleared up my freezing problem although it mine usually occurs after this with moving around the field. I would appreciate it if someone else would try this. Disable the backside cache. It seems to clear up my problems. This can be done using the G3/G4 Cache Profiler from Powerlogix http://www.powerlogix.com THX pford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted May 15, 2000 Share Posted May 15, 2000 No, disabling the cache didn't change anything. CM still exits without any messages after displaying the "Loading 3D Graphics..." message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ol' Blood & Guts Posted May 15, 2000 Share Posted May 15, 2000 Tom Servo, you may have to run in 640x480 Software mode. Try that. Delete the prefs file and wait for it to cycle through to Software mode and try it then. Without a 3D card, that might be your only choice. [This message has been edited by Ol' Blood & Guts (edited 05-15-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 Aha! Changing resolution was what allowed the game to start. (I haven't had time to actually try playing it.) For reference, I have a SVGA monitor attached to one Macintosh and an AppleDisplay attached to a different one. I just experimented with the SVGA monitor version. 640x480 mode seems to work 800x600 mode seems to work 1024x768 mode fails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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