:USERNAME: Posted November 12, 2000 Share Posted November 12, 2000 I am wondering if the following is a way to cheat a PBEM opponent. If you had two computers and did the following: 1. Set up game and play a turn on first computer. 2. Use ghosting hardware to ghost hard drive from turn1. 3. When the email turn is recieved back (and your computer is the resolution computer), try the results on computer 2. If you are especially unlucky, switch computers, log on and download turn from email onto ghosted hard drive computer to allow another chance to have a better resolution? Obviously its going to only work when your computer is the one doing the resolution? I dont use anything like this but wonder if its possible. I am not criminally minded but extremely paranoid and proud of it. I usually like to play email with people that can return a turn in a set amount of time and agree to end a "session" on a resolution (that is get it back in an half hour). I think a half hour is too much time for a turn but have played people that take hours it seems. Madmatt, you think the above is possible or can be improved by ghosting onto a LAN? What if there were three computers? Would this allow a "holding bin" so that given enough time, things would work out for the best? Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted November 12, 2000 Share Posted November 12, 2000 Sounds like an aweful amount of trouble will little or no benefit. In this case, and alot of the others I've heard cocked up, I think one needs to look at the trouble versus the benefits. I mean, lets re-route this cabel A over and under to connector C and bypass connection B, and then run cabel B over and across power conduit D and then connect to connector E, then maybe, just maybe, get a slightly different result. [This message has been edited by Maximus (edited 11-12-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:USERNAME: Posted November 12, 2000 Author Share Posted November 12, 2000 Actually this was a test to see who would post a reply and act like it was TOO much trouble. (all you really need is multiple hard drives, the ghosting software and an open case computer) BTW wahts a cabel? I think that the game has one computer resolve a turn but the "hosting" resolution computer doesnt get to see the results and you email the results for initial viewing by your adversary. Max. You are under alot of suspicion. Watch it. [This message has been edited by :USERNAME: (edited 11-12-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted November 12, 2000 Share Posted November 12, 2000 Why would anyone go to all this trouble to cheat on an e-mail game? What do you gain by cheating? All you do is to prove that you are not good enough to win fairly. Why would anyone want to prove that they're not a good player? I can understand cheating in business or politics to gain a material advantage, but in a game where no one is winning money or power? Get a life, man! ------------------ Blessed be the Lord my strength who teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:USERNAME: Posted November 13, 2000 Author Share Posted November 13, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayne: I can understand cheating in business or politics to gain a material advantage, but in a game where no one is winning money or power? Get a life, man! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You can understand cheating in business and politics but cant see cheating in CM? You need to get something. Like values. I just want the opportunity to not be there. I knew this thread would flush out the yahoos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanaka Posted November 13, 2000 Share Posted November 13, 2000 The resolution computer can never see the movie,(unless you got the password of your enemy). If with the pbem file that we receive see a movie in our turn (movie only turn or movie+orders turn) then our computer is not the resolution computer. In conclusion, after all that work, your adversary will simply calculate a different resolution in his computer of that calculated in the "ghost computer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Madmatt Posted November 13, 2000 Share Posted November 13, 2000 As said above Lewis, you don't need to Ghost your drive to do what your saying but it won't matter as once your system resolves the turn you are not permitted to view it. It must first be sent to your opponent who then gets to view it first and then sends it back to you. You could re-run the original file 20 times in the same location of Combat Mission and you would come up with 20 separate and unique outcomes but those won't have any value to you as you can't view them. I think it was Rube Goldberg that used to invent incredibly complex designs for inventions to do the most simple of tasks. This sounds very similar. Madmatt [This message has been edited by Madmatt (edited 11-12-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MantaRay Posted November 13, 2000 Share Posted November 13, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayne: Why would anyone go to all this trouble to cheat on an e-mail game? What do you gain by cheating? All you do is to prove that you are not good enough to win fairly. Why would anyone want to prove that they're not a good player? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I can prove I am not good enough to win without cheating. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franko Posted November 13, 2000 Share Posted November 13, 2000 I think if you posted this thread to flesh out the "yahoos", you only succeeded in showing that you were the yahoo. This thread is so stupid it defies comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted November 13, 2000 Share Posted November 13, 2000 USERNAME, I did'nt mean to say that I approve of cheating in any area. I only meant that cheating to gain power or wealth is understandable, though not acceptable. Why cheat in a game where most of the fun is in the experience of playing and learning? ------------------ Blessed be the Lord my strength who teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark IV Posted November 13, 2000 Share Posted November 13, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayne: Why would anyone go to all this trouble to cheat on an e-mail game? What do you gain by cheating? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Cheating is serious business, if you're playing for real money. To get that gut-wrenching sense of urgency, most of us are now playing for house-payment-sized stakes (aren't you?), and lemme tell you, it's a whole different game. You'll think twice about cresting that hill with your TD when your kid's orthodontic bill is on the line. At the Sports Book room in Caesar's Palace, a whole annex has been sectioned off for off-line CMBO betting. Players recline in plush red leather seats with drink holders, and peer through the cigar smoke at 50-foot screens which run QB movies, tallies, and odds from all over the world, 24 hours a day. Scantily clad hostesses scurry discreetly from seat to seat with betting cards and complimentary single-malts, murmuring directly into the ear to be heard above the din of 120 simultaneous sen-surround firefights. Even the glitteratti are getting into the game. On a recent evening, a leggy Natasha Hentstridge ("Species", need I say more) was seen in knee-length black boots and backless, strapless, plunging camo smock, on the arm of her latest beau (a well-known California product manager), placing chips on the green felt for "'Schreck Kill". The glowing beauty cooed, "Roulette will never excite me again", as her hollow-charge hit home for the money, and the croupier scuttled to rake over her coin while the embers of a hapless Sherman flickered in the background. Casino lobbies are now scrambling to jerk out the forlorn one-armed bandits and replace them with video Combat Mission machines, which play one-minute mini-turns against a player's best moves. One Japanese tour bus operator remarked, "They'd pull in twice as much if only they'd do the PTO". If you're still playing CM for free, you're missing a bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamstersss Posted November 13, 2000 Share Posted November 13, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madmatt: As said above Lewis, you don't need to Ghost your drive to do what your saying but it won't matter as once your system resolves the turn you are not permitted to view it. It must first be sent to your opponent who then gets to view it first and then sends it back to you. You could re-run the original file 20 times in the same location of Combat Mission and you would come up with 20 separate and unique outcomes but those won't have any value to you as you can't view them. I think it was Rube Goldberg that used to invent incredibly complex designs for inventions to do the most simple of tasks. This sounds very similar. Madmatt<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, at what point do you view the movie, Lewis, thereby selecting your best result? Maybe you have a seance with the ghosted machines and they whisper it to you? ------------------ I've got far more annoying things than that up my sleeve. -Meeks You must wear awfully loose shirts to fit an oompah band up your sleeve. -Chrisl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hofbauer Posted November 13, 2000 Share Posted November 13, 2000 USERNAME, your method doesn't work, for exactly the reasons Madmatt stated. It was Pillar(?) who had this shtick and agenda of "I know a way to cheat in CM PBEMs but I'm not telling" and to this day I cannot conceive of a way that you could possibly do so and he failed to deliver the prove to this very day. There is no way of cheating without knowing the password of your opponent. If you are out for cheating in CM you might try hacking the password. Apart from that, I'ld chance to say I'm convinced that CM's PBEM routine is 100% cheat-proof. ------------------ "Im off to NZ police collage" (GAZ_NZ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:USERNAME: Posted November 13, 2000 Author Share Posted November 13, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M Hofbauer: USERNAME, your method doesn't work, for exactly the reasons Madmatt stated. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> (Pssst heres a clue.. he said the reasons stated above. I was the one "above" that gave the reason he refered. Lets not tell the others OK??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Madmatt Posted November 13, 2000 Share Posted November 13, 2000 And now that this topic has been beaten into a pulp and serves no purpose other than lighten fluid lets just lock it up. Madmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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