kevinkin Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Barbarossa began on June 22 but when did it officially end? At Yelnya and the offensive south to envelop Kiev? Or did it end when Typhoon stalled?Any thoughts?Kevin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Early December when Typhoon fails. The other operations up to that point are all still part of the Barbarossa campaign, to me. When the objective of defeating the Red Army in one swift campaign is formally abandoned, by a forced transition to a defense posture in front of Moscow, Barbarossa is over. Whatever the German army is trying to do after that is following other plans, and goals, and expectations. There are operational and tactical adaptations before then, but no change in the goal, nor in the continuing hope and planning expectation that it can and will be achieved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLaurier Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Early December when Typhoon fails. The other operations up to that point are all still part of the Barbarossa campaign, to me. When the objective of defeating the Red Army in one swift campaign is formally abandoned, by a forced transition to a defense posture in front of Moscow, Barbarossa is over. Whatever the German army is trying to do after that is following other plans, and goals, and expectations. There are operational and tactical adaptations before then, but no change in the goal, nor in the continuing hope and planning expectation that it can and will be achieved.The stupidity continued under new names. Bustard Hunt, Blau, Zitadel, etc etc...But Barbarossa was dead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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