jim crowley Posted September 17, 1999 Share Posted September 17, 1999 I,m wondering if the small inferno created by the Panzer 1V's HE shell (turn 30) might have been a bit exagerated. The affected area was (I think) light or scattered trees, in winter. They may well have been set on fire but I can't imagine this turning into a blaze that would cause the sheltering infantry to flee. Perhaps in a forested or scrub area, in dry summer conditions, but not in damp winter. Could this perhaps be related to the earlier house fire caused by tank-fire (I think) which was generally agreed to be also OTT. Cheers Jim Crowley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddy Posted September 17, 1999 Share Posted September 17, 1999 I completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Galanti Posted September 17, 1999 Share Posted September 17, 1999 Another question about fire, is there anything between not on fire and raging inferno? You can't really tell from still screenshots, so i was wondering if fires start small and build up over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted September 17, 1999 Share Posted September 17, 1999 The fire did not suddenly appear out of nowhere. The area has been shelled by infantry, HE rounds and small arms fire countless times during the 30 minutes of the game. The HE shell from the Panzer merely was the last "drop in the barrel" to consider the whole are (of 20 sqm) be on fire for game purposes. I believe that there is a recent thread talking about this - you should try to use the search function to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted September 17, 1999 Share Posted September 17, 1999 They do - but at CM's scale small fires (a burning tree, a burning patch of grass) are more or less insignificant. At some point, however, the game engine considers the whole area to become untenable - that's the point at which the fire appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingtiger Posted September 17, 1999 Share Posted September 17, 1999 I believe that the ammo was actually the top secret "HE laser beam" developed near the end of the war. I agree - burning trees in Winter from HE doesn't seem logical, but I haven't been in a war. Richard Kalajian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted September 17, 1999 Share Posted September 17, 1999 I know a little about wild land fire fighting. I once, in the California/Nevada desert, saw a large fire occur in the winter. The conditions were very, very specific, however: it required very dense fuel (sage brush) to be very dry (the sap had not yet risen) on a very windy day. Probably the first and last anyone there had ever seen it SNOW on a fire. However, I would say the chance of a wild land fire to do anything other then smolder briefly in a deciduous forest in the winter to be absolutely nil. You might get some drifting smoke, but that's it. First off, deciduous forests really don't like to burn at all, anyway. I would put the chance of forest fire in Western Europe's forests as something like this: Winter: absolutely none. You could shell an area into splinter and and you would just end up with smoldering twigs. Spring: very, very low. Extremely low. Think slightly more smoldering twigs. Melting snow, rising sap and rain. Summer: very low. If was an extremely dry summer (summer of 1944???), low. But basically you get decent precip in most of Europe in the summer. Fall: very low, but, at least to some extent, a function of the summer's wetness. What does all this boil down to (IMO)? I think that wildland fire would not be tactically relevant Fall, Winter or Spring, and very unusual in the summer. House fires and flame throwers not withstanding. Sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted September 18, 1999 Share Posted September 18, 1999 Not to worry folks, this was just an Alpha thing. Modifiers for sparking fires depending on weather and ground conditions has not yet been added. Will be soon Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Pfeiffer Posted September 20, 1999 Share Posted September 20, 1999 I don't know about European forests, but I've done qutie a bit of prescribed burning of deciduous forests in the central US. They burn very well in the fall and winter (6-10 foot mid-flame lengths and an ROS of up to 2 mph). Not with snow on the ground, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted September 20, 1999 Share Posted September 20, 1999 My experience is all in the west, and based on limited experience and hearsay about eastern fires and how slow and difficult to set they can be, compared to the tinderbox west. Trust Kent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted September 21, 1999 Share Posted September 21, 1999 Kent and Sage, good point about climate. We have based our weather modifiers on the NE US and historical study. In general, when talking terrain, the NE US is very close to NW Europe. We also run this stuff by Martin who lives in western Germany. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Rock Posted September 21, 1999 Share Posted September 21, 1999 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>We also run this stuff by Martin who lives in western Germany.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Which is why his AARs are running late. He's too busy trying to validate the BTS data by burning down the Black Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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