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    Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS

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    Putin also didn't seem to know it because he said they were Ukrainians who bought all the equipment on eBay.

     

     

    He is the politic.

    Modern Russian Federation equipment being viewed by OSCE monitors who are, by any reasonable definition, useless.

     

    They are OSCE.

    If you dont respect them thats your problem.

    so who was driving it

     

    Militants?

    Thats the same BTR-80 but with different gun. 2A72 are used on some UA vehicles.

    So whats the problem?

    And yeas, RF give to the militants.

    Surrounding Ukrainian military bases, the airport, the ferry crossings, etc.

     

    Anyway that took place only after Crimean parlament said "cya" to the UA.

    Documents

     

    Where?

    Show us some of them pls.

    Putin even had to admit that some were Russian military

     

    Is he said "regular troops with orders from MoD"?

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    Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

    Posted · Edited by Weer

    I cant believe this is being used as an argument

     

    Why it cant?

    You can reffer to ANY war what took place on the territory of the UA. They are not those glorius Belarus partisans and even the Russian ones. They have sayng "моя хата с краю" what means if something doesnt touch me i will not do anything to it.

    They are not Kurds. They will cooperate.

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    Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

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    I don't understand this comment.

     

    My bad, sorry.

    When Crimean events were happening everyone knows what there were russian troops in center of them. Even in Russia.

     Like this?

     

    Title says what there is OSCE dudes were close. If they said what thats okay - thats okay.

    but also BTR-82 and T-72s

     

    Well not all of the gear is 20 years old, but still you have no evidence what they manned by russian regulars.

    So when the Green Men appeared you were saying "hey, we have illegally invaded Ukraine"?

     

     

    Russia used its right to keep about 60K (i dont remember the correct number) in Crimea.

    if there is a Russian soldier in Ukraine is either waging an illegal war of aggression or is a terrorist?

     

    Only IF there is regulars.

    If they dont recive orders from MoD they are terrorists. If they do - Ukraine must declare a war to Russia.

    But only if there are regulars.

    Now why is that?

    Who knows?

    Fact is that the DPR and LPR were created by Russians and was led by Russians

     

    Still no evedences.

    And yes they are russians, Ethnic russains.

     

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    Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS

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    You live in a country whose state sponsored media says that the CIA was behind the Paris terrorist attacks

     

    What a shame, Steve. US porpaganda mashine said that?

    Your leaders and your media lied about the invasion of Crimea by Russian forces

    But evryone in russia know what there is actualy our troops there. Now - we dont.

    not reality

     

    Who give you the right to call some thing "reality" and other "propaganda"?

    You probably also believe that the CIA is behind the Paris terrorist attack because you saw it on Life News

     

    I didnt watch LF and i dont know anyone of my friends doing so.

    Our state controlled media never said what that was CIA operation. That the IS do that but IS creation is the US fault.

    But for the fun of it, what do you make of this "20 year old gear"?

     

    For example counter-battary gear or UR-77 seen in use by militants.

    So if an American force, directed and equipped by the American government, started killing Russians on Russian soil you would not view that as an invasion?

     

    If they will wear US unform and recive official orders - that the war. If not - that the terrorism.

    Learn law of war.

    Libya was a civil war with open admission of support for one side by US and European countries

    DNR and LNR asked for help from Russia.

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    Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

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    The evidence of regular Russian military having fought in Ukraine is overwhelming

     

    There is none.

    Yeah we have some fotos of 20 years old gear in hands of militants and some upgraided tanks but thats it. Yeah russia give it to the militants just like NATO did it with FSA or Libian rebels.

    But there is no clear evedince of regular troops fighting there.

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    Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

    Posted · Edited by Weer

    Don't you think this "Cyborg" is going use the Russian KSVK (6C8) 12.7mm sniper rifle he captured a few days ago, or do you think he's going to send it back to Russia?

     

     

    That rifle were captured from the Cyborgs in the last airport fight. And it belived what Polish PMC are used them.

     

    http://cs623324.vk.me/v623324269/2d14/qqYxiivbGbs.jpg

     

    That foto have been made a month ago.

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    Strategic and tactical realities in CMBS

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

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    What is acceptable behavior on other Forums is generally not acceptable here.

     

    Yeah sorry.

    But i crushed my chear when i saw you answer and my reaction was uncontrolled.

    I'll turn the question around to you. How many do you think they have produced? It seems from your previous comments you think the number is 0.

     

    Nope.

    Something like 70 in total with the old versions of T-64 form the "stockpiles".

    That is a very difficult position to believe.

     

    Thats's what i think about your position.

    They dont have money for that. Kharcovs plant arealmost dead all its good engeneirs are reataired are long ago coz they have no payment for they work during 2000s.

    UA need at least 5 year to rebuild its military industry, but they can do it only if they will have a realy huge money bag. Thats simple.

    Please provide your sources that Ukraine has not been repairing and restoring vehicles into service.

     

    I never said something like that.

    All i said what they didnt do it in right numbers ever for they CTO. And as Kalugin said they dont only need good stuff, they need motivated and trained professionals with at least 6 month training. Current UA consripts have only 3.

    You can start by citing your sources that shows that the 2S7 'Pion' I have seen in many reports, and pictures, are not in service.

     

    The fun thing what UA  president said what they catualy produse them. lol

    Using your logic, Russia had better not get into a war with the US, not to mention the US and NATO. Even France could fight Russia to a draw, again based on your argument.

     

    And that is true.

    Russia cant won all out WW2 style war against NATO and even US. US just have more cannon folder.

    So why is Russia accepting non-Russians into its military? There must be a reason for this decision, yes? 

     

    To have more proffesioanls.

    Like it happend in US. In France. In UK.

    Thats normal for the modern world.

    If you don't want to even try to challenge a statement, do not bother to reply with something this childish.

     

    I have many friend in Ukraine. One of them from Crimea, some from Kharov and one from Kiev. I know what they are thinking about.

    Some of them hate Putin but all of them hate Poroshenko due to total idiotism of his goverment.

     

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