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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

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    But don't you worry, because those of us who understand are by now so sick of you and those like you that we would not lift a finger to put you out if you were on fire, so you can snore on happily.

    And soon you will stand alone in the ever - changing world, backed only by those who got their share of bloody Iraq's oil...I am really sick of you and those like you. How dare you accuse anyone of 'moral blindness'? YOU? I'll give you this: I am naive, as I would like to see the world a better place to live for everyone. But what you did was just lowdown.

    Indeed this thread should die. And I should have known obvious: "if you put the stick in the **** and stir it's gonna stink even more". I am out of this thread this time for good.

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

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    There is nothing you raised which has not been looked at, analysed and considered many times before.

    And -based on your reaction -I thought it was a genuine surprise.

    You mean justification and denial process has been already completed?

    As it is, all I see is the same kneejerk anti-americanism and superficial understanding of the issues which I have seen way too many times. It's quite boring actually.

    And who says it? Your only contribution to the topic was a truly pathetic attempt at justifying war crimes by comparing them to those commited by Russians.

    I clearly stated that any form of killing civilians in unacceptable, and anyone who does it -especially the aggressor invading independent country - deserves a condemnation. Either my English sucks so much or you are unable to read with basic understanding.

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

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    The issue of war crimes as always been a sore topic around here, since you always have posters with neo-Nazi tendencies

    This is something I did not think about.

    This all started because you said the U.S. military committed " many atrocities in Iraq".

    And I provided a lot of evidence. And yeah, this proved to be a sore topic on US dominated forum - but I did not expect such denial and attempts to make light of it.

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

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    What I don't appreciate is you coming in here and muddling up what this thread was initially all about and turning it into some America is the new evil empire.

    Of course it is lopsided point of view. Unfortunately, this is how large part of the world perceives America. You're not too popular nowadays. Maybe those of you who care should start thinking about the reasons. It must be very bad to be America's enemy if even allies your diplomacy suggests to '****'. I do have a feeling guys, your personal views are not far off from those of your diplomacy.

    I am pretty sure that wasn't the original intent of this thread.

    And what was the original intent? My first post was perfectly on subject and I was not the only one who drifted away a bit.

    And again you are dodging, attacking, ignoring and trying to errect a strawman.

    No, I am only defending - surrounded by a pack of wolves AND on their area. AND it is just all because I dared to to break their inner peace and show things they might find disturbing...I provided a lot of evidence, links, videos. And what I got in return? Statements that your military are 'good guys' because you killed less civilians than Russians did? You really believe it? How far a man can go to morally justify such actions? Invading Iraq and killing civilians was WRONG. And even political benefits for US are questionable. Regardless of the side of propaganda.

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

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    Secondly it tells me you are pushing the propaganda line of another power and I can pretty much guess which one now. No wonder you don't want to own up to it. It would severely undermine all this BS. Not that it has a leg to stand on now.

    We're done sir. Something tells me youre unable to understand someone can comprehend written material in several languages and try to reach beyond this or that propaganda. Of course I sidestepped - when I saw old thick-skinned rhino charging at me with one intention.

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

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    -->Splinty

    I don't have a reason not to believe you - there could be some leftovers from the war against Iran. Poor casus belli anyway.

    At least Iraq is now a semi-functioning democracy.

    Pleasssse. Spare us. After all we wrote here you are still doing this. 7000 civilians dead in 2013 only - worst year since 2008. Country is in ruin.

    Call me Nostradamus.

    With what's going on in the Crimea, we may have CM: Siege of Sevastopol sooner than we think.

    What siege? Crimea is already in Russian hands.

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

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    -->Childress

    And this is why it so important to accumulate knowledge and confront all sides of events.

    "We liberated Iraq and freed the people". Is this kind of propaganda different? You think you are somehow immune to manipulation? You were all lied into belief that Husein had chemical and biological weapons! That's the lie of the decade - all 'containers' and 'mobile labolatories' were drawn by Pentagon hired illustrators. And still many of you disregard information from different sources.

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

    Posted

    So Ashez, where are you from that is so free of having ever done anything to wrong anyone that you can feel justified in suggesting 9/11 was somehow a thing America brought on itself? Shangri-La?

    Sorry, -with all due respect - I do not think you are capable of the normal conversation with attitude you keep displaying. I might suggest however you start with following:

    1.'postcolonialism - middle east'

    2.' US Middle East policy during presidency of Lyndon B. Johnson'.

    That is the difference between the " good guys" and the " bad guys".

    No, the difference is that 'good guys' don't invade and ruin independent countries. You compare two evils (even if one them was greater). And of course. I do not condemn average soldier - a decent man doing his job. I do condemn however your politicians and commanders (who were supposed to prevent bad things from happening and certainly not trying to hide it from the public).

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

    Posted

    Basically the EU process was a dead letter within 24 hours; the undiplomatic diplomat's comment was merely explaining that reality.

    You are wrong. The process was well and the agreement was reached. What happened is that a very small but armed forces (activists lol) refused to accept agreement and conducted a coup. They forced new acts with direct threats to parliament members and tried to kill Yanukovitch. The majority of protesting people had nothing to do with it, they became mere observers at this point.

    While it may serve the purpose for a while it is already backfiring. You can't give a power to a political organization many people call 'nazi' (your 'activists') and pretend nothing really happened. Their first parliamentary act was against the russian language, hard to imagine worse start.

    I do not think it also possible to conduct democratic reforms on Ukraine without dividing the country and frankly I do not think there is a way to ease the tensions.

    The recent events are -no doubt - a defeat for Russia, whether the CIA (as Russia claims) was involved or not. But it is just a beginning. Russia can ruin Ukraine with cutting off natural gas supplies -or just increasing the prices. And current Ukrainian economy is broken and the state is on the edge of bancrupcy.

    There will be an international help but I am sure any amount of money can vanish in a bottomless well of corruption in a country where it is commonly accepted and viewed as normal.

    But not to let misinformation pass unchallenged

    You are the one who spreads misinformation. The "f*u*c*k EU" remark surfaced on the 7th of February while the agreement was signed exactly two weeks later. But nice try to justify it.

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

    Posted

    I'm not sure if you are referring to Putin or Assange, but it doesn't matter. Having a lot to say does not make one worth listening to.

    You can't make a coup near Russia border (and use mainly nazi-related element to enforce its success) and ignore Putin. He simply has more ways to ruin Ukraine than you can imagine (some of them costly though). But well...the overheard words of your own diplomat ("**** the EU") prove Putin is not the only one you want to ignore. And it is not a way to go in a long run...

    I thought about the matter again i dont think that it would be possible for any army to sucessfully wage a war on the scale of the war in iraq without producing significant collateral damage

    Similary we can assume the 11 September was a collateral damage coming from US Mid_East policy failures?

    And how can you say the war was 'successful' if it replaced non-enemy with enemies, destabilized the region, strenghtened Iran, allowed creation of large sharia-governed country (ISIS) and on top of this it incited even greater Muslim hatred towards US?

    EDIT: I really think it is EOT from me, at least concerning Mid_East

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

    Posted

    The fact that the US military is not magically immune to that inexorable fact does not constitute a condemnation of the institution or it's members.

    The soldiers of the country that declares to 'free' people from oppression should be trained and selected to have that kind of 'magical immunity'. Killing almost 1k civilians on checkpoints alone with warning procedures being a fiction (as shown on wikileaks reports) is a bad testimony. Driving a Humvee, ramming the civilian cars and shooting at random civilians is even worse (as shown on one of linked videos). And another US genuine invention to kill civilians: "bait tactics":

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    Who were the good guys? (O/T )

    in Combat Mission Red Thunder

    Posted

    Anyone who looks at the record objectively will see that US/UK forces in Iraq carried out their mission very professionally with minimal civilian causalties compared to most wars.

    It is simply not truth.

    Watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRpREcx1F50

    ...and trying to justify murderers in Apache from wikileaks video is just LOW. Did you see the second part (in one of those videos) with the same crew? How they destroy the building with Hellfire with pedestrian coming nearby. Whom are you trying to defend? Criminals in uniforms? Also note how the video differs from official report. From those videos only you can see what kind of lie military reports are.

    However, they were not in any way "atrocities" like, for example, the deliberate killing of 2,500,000 Soviet soldiers in 1941-42 by the Germans.

    /sarcasm on/ Sure, then why so much buzz about 3.000 dead from Septemper 11 attacks?/sarcasm off/ Double standards?

    Times changed. Every human deserves to live. And those who act against civilians -in any form - deserve to be condemned.

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