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Ukrainian euroactivists 'enhance' the work of prosecutor's office. Notice the passive behaviour of police officer: That's how decisions have been made in Kiev during and after the coup.

Truly great news. CMSF is an AWESOME game and I am looking forward to this upgrade.

And soon you will stand alone in the ever - changing world, backed only by those who got their share of bloody Iraq's oil...I am really sick of you and those like you. How dare you accuse anyone of 'moral blindness'? YOU? I'll give you this: I am naive, as I would like to see the world a better place to live for everyone. But what you did was just lowdown. Indeed this thread should die. And I should have known obvious: "if you put the stick in the **** and stir it's gonna stink even more". I am out of this thread this time for good.

I blame arms and oil industry, broken moral compass, greed and hubris...double or even tripple standards and - probably -too much sun:-)

I blame George W. Bush - for obvious. I blame Sgt Joch - chief propaganda officer:-) I am sure he could even make Putin's recent actions on Ukraine look like a friendly visit!

And -based on your reaction -I thought it was a genuine surprise. You mean justification and denial process has been already completed? And who says it? Your only contribution to the topic was a truly pathetic attempt at justifying war crimes by comparing them to those commited by Russians. I clearly stated that any form of killing civilians in unacceptable, and anyone who does it -especially the aggressor invading independent country - deserves a condemnation. Either my English sucks so much or you are unable to read with basic understanding.

This is something I did not think about. And I provided a lot of evidence. And yeah, this proved to be a sore topic on US dominated forum - but I did not expect such denial and attempts to make light of it.

I wanted to show the futility of such categorization in a wargame adding the third - more contemporary side, closer emotionally and geographically to the original poster than those sides mentioned initially. Still can't see anything wrong in a thread labelled as "OT".

I do not think it is looking good currently: look at Human Rights Watch report: http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/iraq?page=3 I am afraid Iraq's democracy has already its peak behind and there is noone to enforce it now. Add political and religious turmoil, Iran's neighbourhood and Islamic state covering large parts of western Iraq.

Only outside of Africa and Asia. I do not know how many people died in South America during various internal conflicts. Democracy is not something anyone is interested in those parts of the world.

Of course it is lopsided point of view. Unfortunately, this is how large part of the world perceives America. You're not too popular nowadays. Maybe those of you who care should start thinking about the reasons. It must be very bad to be America's enemy if even allies your diplomacy suggests to '****'. I do have a feeling guys, your personal views are not far off from those of your diplomacy. And what was the original intent? My first post was perfectly on subject and I was not the only one who drifted away a bit. No, I am only defending - surrounded by a pack of wolves AND on their area. AND it is just all because I dared to to break their inner peace and show things they might find disturbing...I provided a lot of evidence, links, videos. And what I got in return? Statements that your military are 'good guys' because you killed less civilians than Russians did? You really believe it? How far a man can go to morally justify such actions? Invading Iraq and killing civilians was WRONG. And even political benefits for US are questionable. Regardless of the side of propaganda.

And other participants in this discussion are certainly open minded and ready for a prejudice - free exchange of thoughts...

We're done sir. Something tells me youre unable to understand someone can comprehend written material in several languages and try to reach beyond this or that propaganda. Of course I sidestepped - when I saw old thick-skinned rhino charging at me with one intention.

-->Splinty I don't have a reason not to believe you - there could be some leftovers from the war against Iran. Poor casus belli anyway. Pleasssse. Spare us. After all we wrote here you are still doing this. 7000 civilians dead in 2013 only - worst year since 2008. Country is in ruin. What siege? Crimea is already in Russian hands.

-->Childress And this is why it so important to accumulate knowledge and confront all sides of events. "We liberated Iraq and freed the people". Is this kind of propaganda different? You think you are somehow immune to manipulation? You were all lied into belief that Husein had chemical and biological weapons! That's the lie of the decade - all 'containers' and 'mobile labolatories' were drawn by Pentagon hired illustrators. And still many of you disregard information from different sources.

Thank you for your meaningful input in the discussion. You have been heard.

Oh, CMRT is a must have -so it is excluded from these considerations. And I guess we have at least month till release- a lot of time to replenish the wallet. For now I think I will go with CMFI + Gustav Line -there is a nice bundle available. Thanks for advice!

Sorry, -with all due respect - I do not think you are capable of the normal conversation with attitude you keep displaying. I might suggest however you start with following: 1.'postcolonialism - middle east' 2.' US Middle East policy during presidency of Lyndon B. Johnson'. No, the difference is that 'good guys' don't invade and ruin independent countries. You compare two evils (even if one them was greater). And of course. I do not condemn average soldier - a decent man doing his job. I do condemn however your politicians and commanders (who were supposed to prevent bad things from happening and certainly not trying to hide it from the public).

You are wrong. The process was well and the agreement was reached. What happened is that a very small but armed forces (activists lol) refused to accept agreement and conducted a coup. They forced new acts with direct threats to parliament members and tried to kill Yanukovitch. The majority of protesting people had nothing to do with it, they became mere observers at this point. While it may serve the purpose for a while it is already backfiring. You can't give a power to a political organization many people call 'nazi' (your 'activists') and pretend nothing really happened. Their first parliamentary act was against the russian language, hard to imagine worse start. I do not think it also possible to conduct democratic reforms on Ukraine without dividing the country and frankly I do not think there is a way to ease the tensions. The recent events are -no doubt - a defeat for Russia, whether the CIA (as Russia claims) was involved or not. But it is just a beginning. Russia can ruin Ukraine with cutting off natural gas supplies -or just increasing the prices. And current Ukrainian economy is broken and the state is on the edge of bancrupcy. There will be an international help but I am sure any amount of money can vanish in a bottomless well of corruption in a country where it is commonly accepted and viewed as normal. You are the one who spreads misinformation. The "f*u*c*k EU" remark surfaced on the 7th of February while the agreement was signed exactly two weeks later. But nice try to justify it.

I've got the basic CMBN with 2.0 upgrade and I can't decide what to buy next. I was considering Commonwealth and Market -Garden modules as the highest priority -until I played CMFI demo (and loved it). What would you recommend first: two CMBN modules or CMFI + Gustav Line?

You can't make a coup near Russia border (and use mainly nazi-related element to enforce its success) and ignore Putin. He simply has more ways to ruin Ukraine than you can imagine (some of them costly though). But well...the overheard words of your own diplomat ("**** the EU") prove Putin is not the only one you want to ignore. And it is not a way to go in a long run... Similary we can assume the 11 September was a collateral damage coming from US Mid_East policy failures? And how can you say the war was 'successful' if it replaced non-enemy with enemies, destabilized the region, strenghtened Iran, allowed creation of large sharia-governed country (ISIS) and on top of this it incited even greater Muslim hatred towards US? EDIT: I really think it is EOT from me, at least concerning Mid_East

And suddenly all the data and videos he revealed become invalid? Very bad comparison. Certainly he's got a lot to say about it. And if you claim otherwise, I dare to say you lack some knowledge about the region.

The soldiers of the country that declares to 'free' people from oppression should be trained and selected to have that kind of 'magical immunity'. Killing almost 1k civilians on checkpoints alone with warning procedures being a fiction (as shown on wikileaks reports) is a bad testimony. Driving a Humvee, ramming the civilian cars and shooting at random civilians is even worse (as shown on one of linked videos). And another US genuine invention to kill civilians: "bait tactics":

At least it dies with a strong accent. Maybe one or two of them will stop asking 'why?' when next thing blows up within US borders.

It is simply not truth. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRpREcx1F50 ...and trying to justify murderers in Apache from wikileaks video is just LOW. Did you see the second part (in one of those videos) with the same crew? How they destroy the building with Hellfire with pedestrian coming nearby. Whom are you trying to defend? Criminals in uniforms? Also note how the video differs from official report. From those videos only you can see what kind of lie military reports are. /sarcasm on/ Sure, then why so much buzz about 3.000 dead from Septemper 11 attacks?/sarcasm off/ Double standards? Times changed. Every human deserves to live. And those who act against civilians -in any form - deserve to be condemned.