Melchior
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Yeah, it's sometimes useful to set a Target Briefly command for more than a minute so you don't have to remember to check it off in a turn or two. Mortars often won't even have enough time to do anything useful with just 15 seconds.
My interpretation of Target Light is that it doesn't really tell the firing unit not to use every weapon they've got. Just to be conservative about weapons use. Fire at an area at a sort of disciplined rate rather than unloading every gun as fast as possible. It's the difference between destructive fire and suppressing fire really.
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Realism is a loaded word. It's use is to be avoided because the connotations could mean anything, but often boil down to "what I want to see".
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I assume the abstraction is "inspiring speech."
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Can all depend on the infantry and range too. American Airborne squads have something like 2-3 machine guns per squad + rifle grenades. Like Wehrmacht squads they can really "reach out" at targets and comfortably suppress guys from pretty far away.
Course' for overall firepower nothing quite matches the "leave-you-speechless" horror of those Sturmgewehr/Russian SMG squads.
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Yeah, the mission briefing warned me from the start that trying to take all the objectives would not go well. I conceded the school and row-houses pretty much from the start and concentrated on the other objectives. Afterwards it turns out the guys holding the row-houses were not armed very heavily, and the row-houses had ideal firing lines on all the remaining objectives. Course' at the time I felt my StuG was key to the mission and anywhere I couldn't really go with it or take advantage of its firepower was going to doom me. That also ended up being true.
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Units can recover from a Rattled state too, I think they're more likely to do so if they're well led and near HQs. Anything more than that and they're just for garrison duty.
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Forget "realism," it's stupid, the world would play out in a billion different ways, and it would still be realistic, what does it matter what specific weapon is used, what does it matter how people do things outside the game, they could be doing it differently if they had different weapons or different situation. Do anything it takes to win with the resources you have on hand. That's as real as you can get. Who the hell puts restrictions on how you should play? I use the camera to my advantage, I bring it down to know where to put my troops, I trick my opponent, I do anything it takes to win. You got to detach yourself from everything that's not unconditional, this game is basically chess, once you learn how not to get shot, it's turns into, all about, what your opponent is thinking, and if you could predict that, just outthink him, and you've won.
Combat Mission in one paragraph.
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We've found a convivial home in this thread. And we'll never leave.
My personal preferences? A more comprehensive surrendering algorithm (tricky) and more persistent suppression effects across the board. Close combat animations? If they have time on their hands and nothing else to do.
I agree. Accounts of hand to hand fighting in the war are usually vague, and probably exaggerated for dramatic effect. I'm not convinced it happened enough to be worth Total-War esque portrayals of mortal kombatants locked in melee. Nor am I convinced most men would actually go to fisticuffs with an enemy even if the opportunity arose, the fighting move of choice at that point being to throw one's arms up in the air and loudly roar "DON'T SHOOT".
Better surrendering logic ftw.
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Their is no single right way to use any unit in CM. That's the beauty of the game. Units may be biased towards a certain kind of result or behavior but it's never a guarantee. Personally, I find snipers extremely useful as long as one remembers what they are (scout teams with more reach) than what they aren't (anything Hollywood told you). Like others have said i've depopulated anti-tank guns and machine gun teams with them. They are best used against targets of particular importance and not just every rifle squad you encounter.
Also i'm not sure, but I bet the TacAI remembers where your snipers are if it gets wind of their position. So move them if they start taking fire, or even if they've been at the same point for a while.
I regularly lead Platoon HQs into battle, usually keeping them near my fire team elements with the CoyHQ not far behind. If i'm near the end of the mission, or really striving for an objective and the commander has a positive bonus, then i'll push the CoyHQ into the fight too if I must. Lead from the front!
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I think the problem tanks have these days isn't from the drone, it's from a weapon system that has already been around for about 20 years or so. The Javelin. Not the Javelin by itself though, a whole ilk of modern ATGMs are becoming so common and powerful that infantry are beginning to subdue the tank's role in battlefield dominance.
Yeah the argument has been made before that ATGMs failed to kill the battlefield's last remaining big-gun. That was long before modern ATGMs were so ubiquitous though. All through the age of the Tank Army it was difficult to design anti-tank weapons that were both common and powerful. You usually had to compromise. Now you don't.
Any infantry squad can now wield the firepower necessary to stop or at least suppress, armor. This is a total reversal of a battlefield food-chain that has been the norm since 1916. Developments in armor are now being made in reaction to anti-tank weapon systems. It was totally the other way around right up until around 1993. The initiative in the tank's development has been lost and this brings its whole role into question in my mind. Much like the battleship right before it went extinct, a tank's only role anymore seems to be a big gun carrier. Is that really enough? Much cheaper vehicles can be and have already been designed to do that job.
The situation bears a parallel with the arrival of the musket in Europe. A weapon that drove the mounted Knight to extinction.
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Nope, Adolf has no problems with workers uniting in the calling of ‘Social Justice’. Adolf is definitely not of the individual liberty school and is a collectivist through and through as long as he’s the one in charge of the collective. One could probably consider the Marxist and the National Socialist as ideological cousins as they are both born from the same principles.
Much was made of the "Socialism" in National Socialism by big personalities in the party during the 1920s. Particularly Goebbels, Rohm, and Strasser. I think Hitler's conduct and especially his dealings with the big name German industrialists and Junker estates reveals that Hitler didn't really hold the more socialist aspects of his writings all that dear.
It always appeared to me that Hitler never held more than a child's understanding of economics.
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Wow, free speech has come a long way.
As a libertarian I can hardly express how disgusted I am from your unbelieveably unprofessional behaviour of a company, your ad hominem attacks on the lowest level and not the slightest exchange of arguments.
Those who would deny free speech, liberty, and civil rights to others deserve none themselves. Fascist.
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Hellas references the David Irving book 'Nuremberg: The Last Battle' in one of his posts. Of course Irving is a well known British Holocaust denier.
That's gold. I mean David Irving? One might as well just cite Goebbels.
I argue that staff should dump Hellas as soon as is possible. He brings this forum into disrepute.Fascists bring human civilization into disrepute to say nothing of the forum. In a just world he would be totally ostracized from society.
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Their is a lot more of this revisionist nonsense these days after the relative quiet of the 90s and 2000s. Lots of resurgent fascist movements in Europe now who conspicuously jump back and forth between either saying the Nazis were super bad and they aren't like them, or how the Nazis were just misunderstood and really trying to save Europe from Bolshevism!
One thing will never change about fascism, they'd lie about the color of the sky if it would suit their interests.
Wow.Now I understand better why you ignore the opening of the archives in 1989 and focus to defend the Soviet Nuremberg propaganda.
We have a fascinating example of Goebbels-esque stuff right here folks. I argue keep him around for just a little bit more so we can study him.
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I've found probing fires are paramount to defeating Russian SMG squads. Preferably delivered from cover or long range. I typically don't split my squads though, since losing 4 men whether or not they're in a team pretty much ruins a Panzergrenadier squad and I don't like to split my firepower. If I think im in for a protracted town fight, I usually dismount the halftrack crews and use them as small scout teams.
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War is hell Otto.
I guess he didn't complain about the Russians doing it because the Germans had done that and much worse in Russia.
Absolutely. In fact in this interview I think he still implies plenty of post-war German "good ol days" poetry about the war. He's probably the kind of guy who would continue to feign ignorance about the Einsatzgruppen too.
An attack on the credibility of western "war innocence" is always interesting to read though. Especially from a guy who has every reason to direct his venom at the East.
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And these kind Western Allies...they burned what supplies we had. In Rheingau, and other places. I have no complaints about the Russians or Eastern Europe. It is the Western Allies that were the most horrible. They had everything, and destroyed what little some people had.
Fascinating!
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Despite having played CM for years I sometimes wonder.
Does the game model the poor penetration and muzzle energy of SMGs in some way? By abstraction or some such? I have a hunch that SMG squads are at a greater disadvantage against guys in buildings or behind several layers of foliage. I'm not entirely sure though.
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Actually, Russian attacks in 1943 had quite good support and combined arms, generally. Yes they got even more in 44-45 and could rely on capital and major weapon systems more (armor, artillery weight etc). But the unsupported riflemen attacks really happened in 1941-42, through the fall of 42 really. The local counterattacks ordered in desperation and the like.
Indeed. Note that Rebbentisch' book depicts the fighting of the 23rd Panzer mostly in the Caucasus and Mius fronts as well. Secondary fronts from which the Russians were probably not prioritizing the arrival of heavy equipment and support. Since the war was being decided elsewhere. During Operation Winter Storm 23rd Panzer found the Soviets a much tougher fight, and was heavily worn down through the end of 1942.
I should also mention that I totally forgot the book's narrative started in 1942 with 23rd's deployment to Kharkov, but Rebentisch claims that the Soviets carried out human wave assaults as late as 1944. Course' he also claims the Russians got their men deliberately drunk and tricked them in to attacking the Germans a bunch. At times he reeks of subtle Nazi-rhetoric detailed though his book is.
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23rd Panzer's account of the war also makes light of Russian tendency to simply attack over and over again on open ground with minimal support circa 1943. Gradually transforming into more coordinated, if still crude, assaults with more supporting arms. The Russians weren't ignorant. Human wave assaults were a flimsy way to win battles, that was obvious in 1918. Problem was in 1943 the Red Army's supporting arms weren't quite ready to go on the offense, but the STAVKA was and often demanded it. The M-30 was still in short supply, the T-34/85 was only starting to come into production-and would not be released to frontline commanders until 1944 regardless-, and the Il-2/Pe-2 still had to perform their jobs in contested airspace.
In some ways, failure to go on broad offensive in 1943 was paid for. The Germans were given more time to dig in across the front and no Army in the world could have pushed into 1944 Poland without an awful lot of fighting.
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Supposedly the Germans were also strapping drums of fuel to the backs of tanks in Normandy as well. I can't imagine that continued very long with all the strafing and bombing from Allied aircraft. It's probably why the gun cam footage from P47s seems to show Tigers "exploding" from .50cal fire. Course' the claims of CAS vs. the reality of CAS is another whole chapter.
Fact is rolling stock was always in short supply. We're dealing with armies of millions of men so soon after an era when the car was still owned by rich minorities. It's awful tempting to strap all those extra supplies to the top of a tank when the only alternative is for men to carry it all on foot.
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CM Poland '39, France '40.
(every adventure needs a begining)
Sign me up!
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Steam frequently bundles indie and small developer games into packs with prices set by Steam. The problem with this of course being that Steam is now setting the market value for your game scandalously low so it can make a profit on sale packs while the developer gets jack. Does this sound like a smart business move for Battlefront?
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The Tiger definitely, the Panther was supposed to be equipping at least half of a Panzer Division's armor component by the middle of 1943. I've never heard of them being grouped into independent battalions since the Panther was supposed to be the Panzer IV's replacement and was usually assigned on the Regimental or at least Company level.
I'd also heard Hitler would have preferred to simply not reinforce any front line unit at all in 1943. He wanted to have entirely new formations built from scratch and standardized with all the wunderwaffe uber tech instead of working with what the Heer still had. Guderian talked him out of the first part I presume and he still more or less got his way by prioritizing the Waffen SS for resupply.
German Campaign in Market Garden
in Combat Mission Battle for Normandy
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I had the same problem Ghost Rider had with Mission 3 of the German campaign. I found it pretty much impossible. The Kriegsmarine simply don't have enough support. I was totally dismayed to see I didn't get so much as a way to generate some smoke to at least enable them to approach the village. The map is pretty linear too so maneuvering options are very poor. Pre-attack recon ended up being a bad idea because the recon squad has MP40s I need and they're too easily lost doing their job.
I played through some rough missions with REDFOR in Shock Force but this one really took the cake. No force was more miserable to work with in any of the games than the Kriegsmarine. No wonder the Heer considered Goebbels Volksturm regiments a bad idea before they even started fighting. Barely or inadequately trained troops are simply no match against seasoned veterans. Not unless they get heaps of support.