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    Use of ATGM

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

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    Jokes about round size and "what you do with it" aside, I personally believe that skill can overcome limited round size. Bullets to small? Practice. Doesn't matter if you have a .22 or a 22mm if you hit him in the forehead.

    Yeah, training troops for headshots is over the top. But for a more realistic example I would imagine putting 3 5.56s (from say, and m-16 burst) into a center mass would drop someone pretty much as well as a single 7.62 to the same area.

    Removing my tounge from my cheek, I do have a question.

    Whats the average infantry combat distance these days? I remember reading that in WW2 it was something like 50m. At this distance whoever threw out the most lead would usually win. Hence the assult rifle. Assuming that this is still the case today (a fairly big IF) I would imagine that the ability to carry more rounds (and therefore send more downrange) would be a signifigant advantage over a smaller number of bigger rounds, as the vast majority are going to be misses anyway.

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    Use of ATGM

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

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    Originally posted by Battlefront.com:

    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Less expensive or not I doubt a XM25 round can be put in a window first time at a range of 1,000m, or if it can they have improved it out of all recognition since last i looked at it.

    Of course 1000 is outside the range of a normal small arm, but that works the same in reverse. The enemy sniper was at best using a Druganov, and was proabably well under 500m. The problem was his angle. He was something like 6 stories in the air behind a raised wall around the edge of the building. Firing back at him with small arms was simply not effective. Firing back at him with airburst 40mm rounds would have been. No need for ATGMs or UAVs.

    Remember, the more specialized the solution the less likely it will be available at the time you need it. Or at least the more time it will take to employ. Having every squad armed with the XM25 means that capability is right there, all the time, every time. And very cheaply too. Javelin is also available to most squads most of the time, but it is horribly expensive and quite limited in terms of number of opportunities to use before running out. UAVs would be even less common and more expensive than XM25, though theoretically cheaper than a Javelin.

    Point is an inexpensive munition in plenty that does the trick is better than an expensive and limited one.

    Steve </font>

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    Use of ATGM

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    I remember the senior DS calling us all together to say uday and qusay had been killed. According to him they "put a TOW through each window of the building" Don't know if thats true.

    Are TOWs considered ATGMs? AFAIK they are not really consider to be in the same class as the more modern stuff.

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    Cobra CAS footage, aka the Syrian armored forces should just go home.

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

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    The cobra is a vietnam era system too. The new longbow apaches? Forget it.

    FK is right tho, while helicopter can bring exellent troop mobility and really kick ass firepower they are exeedingly vulnerable. Doubly so for MOUT. Just think mougudishu.

    On a completly unrelated note, one of my DSs in basic was one of the ranger on the ill fated opertaion Gothic Serpant. I had the good fortune of watching some dullard from alabama who did not know his history take a swing at him during week 1.

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    the truth about CMSF and this board ;o)

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

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    Once again, Combat Mission is not a political/economic simulator. Just because a Western/Soviet war was not bloody likley doesn't mean that there would not be some damn intresting tactical chestnuts to crack at the company/battalion level.

    I mean, anything this hypothetical is pretty much pissing into the wind. I mean from what I know of history there are just way too many little variables to figure what would have happens if even some little ones (let alone big ones) were different.

    That being said, however, I understand there were some pretty tense moments near the end of the war. I can imagine a stressed yet invincible feeling COL with extreme political views doing something very foolish as a result. And these things do have a way of spiraling out of control...

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