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Paris is in a little trouble.... [ April 26, 2003, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: Brad T. ]

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That was a churchill quote there Jersey.

Also, another one of Churchills plans which was good, (But Roosevelt didnt want it) was to storm through the desert, and then make the Germans fight on more fronts, I believe it had a British force lead by the 8th Army and possibly another from the mainland librating Greece, USA Attacking Italy with major force, 1st Canadian Army liberating Norway, all to take place in late 43, then after about a year, landing in France.

Churchill was never allowed to fight in Norway, he wanted to but couldn't. There was even a plan for a Canadian liberation of Norway, but his Generals informed him that the planned Canadian divisions could not fight on ski's, and both King (Canada's PM) and Curchill wanted to launch "opperation Jupitar" France had fallen, and it was 0 fault of the BEF, and, the only real fight they had was dunkirk which was a major success, if I may recall Churchills speach........... " "The position of the B. E.F had now become critical As a result of a most skillfully conducted retreat and German errors, the bulk of the British Forces reached the Dunkirk bridgehead. The peril facing the British nation was now suddenly and universally perceived. On May 26, "Operation Dynamo "--the evacuation from Dunkirk began. The seas remained absolutely calm. The Royal Air Force--bitterly maligned at the time by the Army--fought vehemently to deny the enemy the total air supremacy which would have wrecked the operation. At the outset, it was hoped that 45,000 men might be evacuated; in the event, over 338,000 Allied troops reached England, including 26,000 French soldiers. On June 4, Churchill reported to the House of Commons, seeking to check the mood of national euphoria and relief at the unexpected deliverance, and to make a clear appeal to the United States. From the moment that the French defenses at Sedan and on the Meuse were broken at the end of the second week of May, only a rapid retreat to Amiens and the south could have saved the British and French Armies who had entered Belgium at the appeal of the Belgian King; but this strategic fact was not immediately realized. The French High Command hoped they would be able to close the gap, and the Armies of the north were under their orders. Moreover, a retirement of this kind would have involved almost certainly the destruction of the fine Belgian Army of over 20 divisions and the abandonment of the whole of Belgium. Therefore, when the force and scope of the German penetration were realized and when a new French Generalissimo, General Weygand, assumed command in place of General Gamelin, an effort was made by the French and British Armies in Belgium to keep on holding the right hand of the Belgians and to give their own right hand to a newly created French Army which was to have advanced across the Somme in great strength to grasp it. However, the German eruption swept like a sharp scythe around the right and rear of the Armies of the north. Eight or nine armored divisions, each of about four hundred armored vehicles of different kinds, but carefully assorted to be complementary and divisible into small self-contained units, cut off all communications between us and the main French Armies. It severed our own communications for food and ammunition, which ran first to Amiens and afterwards through Abbeville, and it shore its way up the coast to Boulogne and Calais, and almost to Dunkirk. Behind this armored and mechanized onslaught came a number of German divisions in lorries, and behind them again there plodded comparatively slowly the dull brute mass of the ordinary German Army and German people, always so ready to be led to the trampling down in other lands of liberties and comforts which they have never known in their own. I have said this armored scythe-stroke almost reached Dunkirk-almost but not quite. Boulogne and Calais were the scenes of desperate fighting. The Guards defended Boulogne for a while and were then withdrawn by orders from this country. The Rifle Brigade, the 60th Rifles, and the Queen Victoria's Rifles, with a battalion of British tanks and 1,000 Frenchmen, in all about four thousand strong, defended Calais to the last. The British Brigadier was given an hour to surrender. He spurned the offer, and four days of intense street fighting passed before silence reigned over Calais, which marked the end of a memorable resistance. Only 30 unwounded survivors were brought off by the Navy, and we do not know the fate of their comrades. Their sacrifice, however, was not in vain. At least two armored divisions, which otherwise would have been turned against the British Expeditionary Force, had to be sent to overcome them. They have added another page to the glories of the light divisions, and the time gained enabled the Graveline water lines to be flooded and to be held by the French troops." There is more, but that gives ya the picture. [ April 25, 2003, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: Brad T. ]

Jersey, If Churchill was able to send the original forces he wanted to send to Greece it would have been different (I believe it was a load of air, 2 divisions and a tank Brigade) but the Greeks didnt wanna agrivate the Germans so they didnt let them come, by the time the allies was allowed in, the Germans were already there and the allies could not build any defences in the northern mountains. Libya was already won. In the Pacific, simply enough, Curchill didnt do bad, especially in Singapore, the place was set to be a fortress if the generals in charge would have built reasonable defences.

What? Ill give that a try. CHURCHILL Initiative; Huge Inspiration; Huge Strategy; High Decisions; High Innovative; fair Diplomacy; high ROOSEVELT Initiative; Very Low Inspiration; medium Strategy; medium Decisions; Superb Innovative; medium Diplomacy; high HITLER Initiative; huge Inspiration; huge Strategy; medium Decisions; fair Innovative; high Diplomacy; low TOJO Initiative; medium Inspiration; Very High Strategy; medium Decisions; bad Innovative; low Diplomacy; low STALIN Initiative; medium Inspiration; fair Strategy; fair Decisions; fair Innovative; very high (Urals) Diplomacy; Very Low MUSSOLINI Initiative; medium Inspiration; low Strategy; Very low Decisions; low Innovative; low Diplomacy; low I'd give the Prize to churchill, too bad he wasnt priminister earlier, would have not givien Hitler Munich, and could have beaten him early. [ April 25, 2003, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: Brad T. ]

CvM, will be on my MSN tonight, if you would like to continue.

I hope he lands a job with my Calgary Flames, or maybe be their radio guy, it will help my self esteam, and Id be alot less grumpy during the hockey season.

Thats them, we also had rules like, Warsaw and 1 other Russian city, the commies revolt, Paris captured France surrenders and Britain may enter peace talks, be creative though with those. And whoever loses, don't agree for the other player to "dictate surrender conditions" hope you have fun, its a great campaign. P.S, don't buy the rocket, both me and CvM made that mistake. (I bought it as Britain, and couldnt get it to France!)

CvM, just sent you an e-mail.

Just looked at Jerseys, Smolensk is German though, was that part of the surrender? Anyway, like the idea, when you wanna start workin on the map? Will the Ottoman empire survive? The Austro-Hungarian? [ April 22, 2003, 09:47 PM: Message edited by: Brad T. ]

I imagine we will have Russia become USSR, and have a resonable army, and attempt to take independent Ukrania, all the way to Germany? Posibly attempt to get Baltic States and Finland back. It loses 4 Cities, a port and a mine on our drawn up deal, CvM, was Sevastpol part of it? [ April 22, 2003, 08:59 PM: Message edited by: Brad T. ]

Couple questions though, what about my Stronghold in Greece? And Do I still got Suez? And what happens to the 11 armies-corps I had in France?

Should have accepted it, but I was playing from British point of view, and I thought "I'm not really playing for anyone but the low countries, so why would I let them be annexed?" CvM, Hope we can think of some timeline to reach to the next AAR game.

Trapp, We made a deal at the start, Warsaw+1 more Russian city would spark a Uprising event, and I let him make the terms for France, Although I didnt expect all France to be given up. But it wasnt Kaisers decision of what to do, it was CvM's and he was a bit more harsh.

double post [ April 22, 2003, 12:44 AM: Message edited by: Brad T. ]

A sad day for the British empire. We will rebuild everyone in the government thinks but is too Afraid to say. ____________________________________________ People get this campaign, so much fun. Funnest one yet, kept changing who was winning, thought I had it for A while but CvM played Solid.

Paris fell, and for our empire we have gone into Peace talks, Germany shall soon dictate the future of our great empire. [ April 21, 2003, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: Brad T. ]

Italy has been attacked by ampib assults, both Ottoman and Austrio Hungarian, Britain destroys 1 German Army and Sinks another, The Germans have us on the ropes, but we will still fight...... for Paris. We have 17 Corps and Armys in France Italy, France has 3, Canada 1-another in port soon.

battle for Paris has begun........

The Peace Deal of Brest-Litovsk treaty was rejected, and Kaiser will pay.

Disaster in the East: The Germans captured Smolensk, and then in Volograd, Petergrad and Moscow an uprising occured, The Bolsheveks took power, and imprisioned the Royal family, excluding the Czar and his son who were on the front near odessa. The Bolsheveks, lead by Lenin have won most of the country promising an end to the war, and the Czars forces seem to have to fight the Bolsheveks instead of the Triple Alliance, Russia had peace with Germany. And France is not looking well, but the men in Paris are ready for a battle.

Disaster in the East: The Germans captured Smolensk, and then in Volograd, Petergrad and Moscow an uprising occured, The Bolsheveks took power, and imprisioned the Royal family, excluding the Czar and his son who were on the front near odessa. The Bolsheveks, lead by Lenin have won most of the country promising an end to the war, and the Czars forces seem to have to fight the Bolsheveks instead of the Triple Alliance, Russia had peace with Germany.

Decreased another army to 10%, looking unbalanced in East, France not in terrible condition but A German army does border Paris