Berkut

What has any of this got to do with the original question? Was a Tiger B ever taken out with a frontal hit, by another tank, during combat? It's front armour was an impressive 150mm with a 50 degree slope, but it's side armour was only 80mm. The original turret had a shot trap but that was later removed. So from the side it was as vulnerable as any other tank, but taking it head on would not have been a pleasant prospect at all. It could despatch any tank it encountered with ease, but Germany was never able to build enough of the beasts. ------------------ BERKUT <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>As always feel free to query, deride, or just nod knowingly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord General MB: Soldiers, The way I see it the Cromwell, and Churchill are the diffing tanks of the British; not the wimpy sherman varraints. I really like leavles that srtess this. but I'm wondering what the ballance was historically. I'm guessing the British Sherman because it's easeir to produce... But whats YOUR opoin? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I Guess that by diffing, you meant spiffing? So by method of deduction you are wondering what the better tank was? Ask any british tanker veteran, what tank they preferred. 8 times out of ten they would opt for the sherman and the Lee Grant. It was a simple question of hitting power. British tanks and Tank guns never kept pace with developments in german armour. By the time the war dept cleared the six pounder for use in british tanks, germany had developed better tank guns, based on their experience fighting the russians. As for the cromwell, one story I remember was a crew who would advance with the rear of their tank towards the enemy armour...the armour plate was thinner,true, but the shell would have to get through the engine to get to them, and if it missed them, well hell they would just get out of there, as their tank was facing in the right direction! The churchill was heavily armoured, most of hobarts funnies were modified churchills,but the thing was too bloody slow. That leaves the sherman...Ok it had a high profile...ok it had a nasty habit of catching fire when it took a hit. But it had a good gun on it, it's HE round was good at keeping jerry on his toes, the modified version with the 17pndr could easily take the heavier german tanks. There is also the fact that america could produce more than they lost. That brings me to the last item, there were no british built shermans, we got them from america under the lend lease agreement ------------------ BERKUT <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>As always feel free to query, deride, or just nod knowingly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stalk and Kill, a book by Adrian Gilbert, can provide an insight into the world of the sniper. It deals with the role of the sniper from the American civil war to the low intensity conflicts of today. It also covers the duel between Zaitsev and Konings..which i have i have recently been told is to made into a movie. ------------------ BERKUT <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>As always feel free to query, deride, or just nod knowingly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Of course, the source of these documents in Russia is a good source, and as test methods are released it will be great to see them. I am only making a point about the need to remain skeptical in scientific discourse. [This message has been edited by Slapdragon (edited 09-23-2000).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I think the other point is for us all to stop taking this too seriously Thanks Slapdragon for that timely slap in the face ------------------ BERKUT <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>As always feel free to query, deride, or just nod knowingly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lets take a breather folks and consider the problems of field testing. If you have only one tank with which to blow holes in, then eventually due to fatigue in the metal, any high velocity shell is going to go straight through. There may not have been a better way of conducting the test but it still a flawed method. One also has to consider the quality of the metal. How good was German steel during the last years of the war? There is also the flawed testing regimen. Consider the American Mk14 torpedo. Captains would come back from patrols reporting a large number of duds. The company accused the captains of incompetence, after all their tests showed the torpedo worked fine. It would take a long time before someone realised that the tests for that torpedo always involved head on hits on stationary target ships, never at angle or at a moving ship. when these weapons hit a ship at angle the detonater pin would would buckle preventing the warhead from exploding. So when considering the test results, we have to ask how many of these tests against the Tiger B, were conducted on the front of the tank? How many against the flanks or the rear? What type of shell was employed? solid/tungsten? HE? HEAT? Then finally we come to the political nature of the contry taking the tests. The problem is that the soviets did (and still do)doctor information to suit the temperement of the person receiving it, after all who would be the one to tell Stalin the bad news concerning the unreliability of soviet built weapons? The soviets did invent spin doctoring before anyone else ------------------ BERKUT <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>As always feel free to query, deride, or just nod knowingly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A little update. Now on the sixth battle. a few more casulties, but nowhere near has heavy as those actually suffered by the real Team Desobry. They came in the same old way and I saw them off in the same old way I have always enjoyed your scenarios from sp1 to CM, keep them coming! Slainte ------------------ BERKUT <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>As always feel free to query, deride, or just nod knowingly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have recently restarted this operation. Now that I am aware that you have to prevent any german infantry from crossing that dirt track road on the right flank, I have gone through, and am now on the 4th battle. I am of the opinion, that a rewrite of the american players brief was all that was needed. So far it has been an enjoyable scrap and my losses have been light. 24 casulties (6KIA) 5 tanks KO'd regards ------------------ BERKUT <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>As always feel free to query, deride, or just nod knowingly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Getting vehicles into hulldown positions when playing the defender is quite easy using the LOS command. As for getting there when playing the attacker....One suggestion i remember reading somewhere else on this forum, was to use the hunt command. Simply have the vehicle advance the slope, haveing the endpoint of the hunt movement near the top. Hopefully the vehicle will spot any trouble before it crests the ridge and start firing from a hull down position. ------------------ BERKUT <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>As always feel free to query, deride, or just nod knowingly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I recently posted something on this. I cannot believe it is down to flanking. when i finised the scenario the germans vehicles were burning wrecks...most of the german infantry were to the north and could not be considered to have outflanked me. Unless the routed crews of three very dead stugs that came round to extreme flank of the town, enabled the AI to claim victory...which seems a little silly to me. I have replayed it a few times...and I am clueless as to how to win except by fluke

Is anyone aware of a bug in this scenario? I just finished the first mission and the AI got a total axis victory....despite me inflicting heavy damage on them... 20 vehicles destroyed 91 casualties (21 KIA) I lost 5 vehicles and suffered 30 casualties (12 KIA) I just don't get it can anyone shed some light on this

If we are on the subject of books, then anything by Michael Reynolds is a must have item. Also for those who like playing the axis forces, there is also the US war department's Handbook on German Military Forces. Published by the Louisiana State University press. about $29 dollars though you might get a discount from amazon. I have heard that it is avialable somewhere for free in pdf format...but cannot find it myself Regards