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    The Newbie Tournaments II

    in Combat Mission Archive #4 (2002)

    Posted

    The Alterna Bowl has officially begun!

    There will be two sections: the Competition; and the Exhibition.

    Part 1-The Competition

    I have been doing a lot of thinking about the Newbie Tournaments. In particular, I have been mulling over the question of what the whole purpose of the tournament is. Among other things, I came to the conclusion that we are trying to match inexperienced players in order to have fun and gain experience.

    I believe that is generally what is taking place. However, there is one group that is being left out. I am referring to the tournament Alternates. They, like the Players, signed up to play CM with other Newbies and, by God, that's exactly what they will do!

    I have decided to make a secondary competition for the Alternates. This will keep all of you who "did not make the cut" involved with the process, so that you are ready to jump into the fray if it is needed.

    The scenarios I am designing for the Alternates will be different from the ones being used in the actual tournament (but they will provide just as many challenges). For each round, each Alternate will play one scenario against another Alternate from the same bracket. The opponents will be rotated for the first three rounds and an aggregate score will be tallied for each Alternate. The Alternates with the highest aggregate score from each bracket and a Wildcard (the highest-scoring Alternate that did not lead a bracket) will advance to the semi-finals!

    The time limits for completing the scenarios will be similar to that of the formal tournament. There will be six weeks alotted for each round. Since the first three rounds will involve each Alternate playing only one scenario, there should be no problem completing it in six weeks. The final round will be divided into two three-week legs. The first leg will be the semi-finals and the second leg will be the championship.

    If an Alternate is needed to fill a spot in the tournament, the option to do so will be given in the order in which the Alternates are listed in the brackets. If this happens, that Alternate will be eliminated from the Alterna Bowl. If an alternate Alternate cannot be found, a back-up system will be implemented for determining the winner of that bracket.

    Part 2-The Exhibition

    Now, just in case you thought there was a limit to my dedication to this tournament, I'm here to tell you there is not! As Players and Alternates are eliminated from the tournament, they will be thrown onto the Loser Pile and given the chance to get involved in the Alternate Bowl. Of course, they will not be eligible to win the coveted Alterna Cup, but they will be allowed to play the scenarios. This will be on a "for fun" basis and no scores will be recorded. There will be no deadlines enforced for completing the scenarios, but I ask that you attempt to keep things going at a decent clip.

    There will be five scenarios used in the Alterna Bowl (one each for Rounds 1-3 and two for Round 4). Players will be allowed to play only the scenario(s) currently or previously used by the Alternates.

    How do I get an opponent, you ask? Well, that's simple. When you are eliminated from the tournament, just post a message in the official tournament thread (i.e. here) and let people know you are looking to play. Once you have found an opponent for a particular scenario, please edit your post to let others know.

    See the first page of this thread for the match-ups and the Loser Pile.

    Good luck!

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    The Newbie Tournaments II

    in Combat Mission Archive #4 (2002)

    Posted

    Here are the match-ups for Round 2:

    SuperNewbies

    Hobo (33) vs. Witko (67)

    Dave H vs. SPLASH

    YankeeDog vs. DL

    Vader's Jester vs. Austin Bowie

    Alternates-

    R.C. (73) vs. Dinga (82)

    DD_Rob (27) vs. Bruce Robert (18)

    GV Newbies

    Eric Alkema (27) vs. Stormhouse (43)

    Jim Liang vs. Ligur

    White4 vs. Leta

    Hawk (86) vs. Walker (14)

    Alternates-

    Darknight_Canuck (41) vs. Armdchair (41)

    Bad Monkey! (36) vs. Thewood (30)

    Newbie Rejects

    Icedog42 vs. Mortar

    Bobbaro (18) vs. Voidhawk (82)

    DStone vs. Silvio Manuel

    Newlife vs. Donkey Hotay

    Alternates-

    Hoopenfaust 101 (33+36=69) vs. Andrewgy (58+51=109)

    Sgt Colon (34+25=59) vs. F1shlips (18+65=83)

    Loser Pile tongue.gif

    Lord Dragon

    Commander vs. RedBastard

    Rucrazee

    Sir Uber General

    RedBastard vs. Dfgardner

    Humus B. Chittenbee vs. Toran29

    Chasd

    ASLer

    Von Viniga

    Zitadelle vs. Dan Buttar

    Pfc. Dunsel vs. Bruce Bowes

    Flammenwerfer

    Major Catastrophe

    Vadr

    CombatGeneral

    Dize

    Haohmaru

    Bog vs. Dfgardner

    Scenarios Available for Exhibition Play

    Rabbit's Foot

    Blood & Steel (VERY LARGE!)

    Medium Rare

    A Bridge Too Close

    For the Players, the deadline for the first leg of Round 2 (Give and Take) is 1200 hours (GMT -6:00) on February 16. Round 2 (Nothing Fancy and A Bridge Too Close) officially ends at 12:00 pm (GMT -6:00) around March 8. If it's done sooner, that's a good thing. ;)

    Good luck!

    Note: Player scores in bold indicate the final tally for the round. If the score is not bold then it includes only the first of two scores.

    Note: Alternate scores that include only one number (eg. 56) indicate that Alternate's score from Round 1. If two numbers are included (eg. 56+41=97), that Alternate's scores from Round 1 and Round 2 have been tallied.

    [ February 10, 2002, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: SuperTed ]

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    The Newbie Tournaments II

    in Combat Mission Archive #4 (2002)

    Posted

    Announcing the Combat Mission Newbie Tournaments!

    “One will win all; the rest will lose one.”

    This is where the Newbies come to play!

    There are four Sub-Tournaments: The SuperNewbie Knock-Out Tournament, where players with no prior multiplayer experience duke it out; The Garden Variety (GV) Knock-Out Tournament, where players with limited prior multiplayer experience have a go at it; The Newbie Rejects (NR) Knock-Out Tournament, where players with "issues" scratch and claw at each other; and The Alterna Bowl, where alternates do whatever it is they do. ;)

    The participants for The SuperNewbie Knock-Out Tournament are:

    Lord Dragon

    Humus B. Chittenbee

    Witko

    Pfc. Dunsel

    Zitadelle

    El Griz

    Toran29

    DL

    Vader’s Jester

    Austin Bowie

    YankeeDog

    Dave H

    Dan Buttar

    SPLASH

    Dize

    Hobo

    DD_Rob (alternate)

    Dinga (alternate)

    R.C. (alternate)

    Bruce Robert (alternate)

    The participants for The Garden Variety (GV) Newbie Knock-Out Tournament are:

    vadr

    Chad ‘Harrison’

    Leta

    Ligur

    Hawk

    Walker

    Stormhouse

    Von Viniga

    Jim Liang

    Chasd

    Commander

    Rucrazee

    Dfgardner

    White4

    Major Catastrophe

    Erik Alkema

    Darknight_Canuck (alternate)

    Bad Monkey! (alternate)

    Armdchair (alternate)

    Thewood (alternate)

    The participants for The Newbie Rejects (NR) Knock-Out Tournament are:

    Flammenwerfer

    Bobbaro

    mortar

    Bruce Bowes

    CombatGeneral

    Asler

    Silvio Manuel

    voidhawk

    Bog

    icedog42

    Sir Uber General

    RedBastard

    Donkey Hotay

    Newlife

    Vitalis

    DStone

    Andrewgy (alternate)

    f1shlips (alternate)

    Hoopenfaust 101 (alternate)

    Sgt Colon (alternate)

    If anybody is interested in following the progress of the tournaments, vadr has set up some online tournament brackets. To see what's happening, go here.

    Enjoy!

    Good luck to all!

    [ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: SuperTed ]</p>

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    The Newbie Tournaments

    in Combat Mission Archive #3 (2001)

    Posted

    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Vader's Jester:

    Okay. I guess. :rolleyes: I'm spost ta see it tomorrow night myself. I'm sure it'll rock. smile.gif

    I'm at work most of the day before that. I'm sure we'll exchange a file or two though.

    [ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Vader's Jester ]<hr></blockquote>

    VJ,

    The file's on the way!

    Enjoy the movie!

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    The Newbie Tournaments

    in Combat Mission Archive #3 (2001)

    Posted

    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Vader's Jester:

    Boo hoo hoo. *sniff* Ted *choking on tears* has forgoten all about me fellow newbies. I guess *sniff sniff* that AAR on our battle is never to be. . . *sobbs out of control and crys like a baby* :(

    Where are you Ted! :confused: I know you're busy, but I figured we would exchange at leat one file before calling it quits! :D

    [ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Vader's Jester ]<hr></blockquote>

    VJ,

    My apologies, good sir. I went to see Lord of the Rings this evening. On my there, I picked up some tickets to Sunday's game at Lambeau Field. So, I will be MIA for about ten hours on Sunday. On the bright side, I have a lot of free time on Saturday.

    Yes, I am always busy (actually, Charles Moylan is my pen name ;) ). But, I promised steady play and I shall endeavor to deliver.

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    The Newbie Tournaments

    in Combat Mission Archive #3 (2001)

    Posted

    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Silvio Manuel:

    Oh? Is there any extra 'championship round' match to be had for the winner of the Newbie Reject tournament? That might be tough for a 3-player deal, perhaps the Alterna Bowl winner could be the 4th to even it out...random matchup b/w the 4 winners? Whaddya think SuperTed? (not to overburden you with the thought of *another* tourney).<hr></blockquote>

    SM,

    Did you say...another...tournament? :eek:

    It's worth considering...

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    The Newbie Tournaments

    in Combat Mission Archive #3 (2001)

    Posted

    More results from the Newbie Rejects:

    Icedog42 (German) defeated Sir Uber General (French) by a score of 58-42 in Mighty Mouse. This was enough for Icedog42 to overtake Sir Uber General's slim lead from the first leg of Round 1.

    So, Icedog42 wins Round 1 with an overall score of 107-93 and advances to Round 2.

    Congratulations to Icedog42!

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    The Newbie Tournaments

    in Combat Mission Archive #3 (2001)

    Posted

    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Splash:

    Sorry Ted I'm going to be a bit of a dog with a bone -

    I gather what you are saying is that formula is applied at the end of the game to determine KIA?

    What struck me about Pfc Dunsel and I was the high casualty count on my part (it strikes me as quite a bit higher (% wise) than Pfc Dunsel's) yet the higher kill ratio on my part. Wouldn't this be explained by local caculation (as it were)?

    Now this speaks to realism and worthy of a comment (not necessarily from you Ted - nor here and now)

    In action ( I would imagine I hasten to add) you pretty well know 95% of the time whether your buddy next to you is wounded or dead - yet here tis a mystery!

    With regards game ending --could it also be that if the loser exits first - what's left?

    But of course-- morale plummets as men leave the battle map!<hr></blockquote>

    Splash,

    Good points all around. I wonder if anybody (other than Charles) knows exactly when and how these calculations are done...

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    The Newbie Tournaments

    in Combat Mission Archive #3 (2001)

    Posted

    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Silvio Manuel:

    SuperTed, my spies tell me that the it is below 25% morale for both sides = cease-fire (since version 1.12 IIRC, the book says 15% but that's out of date, methinks).

    Or, if one side goes below 15% AND the opposing force has 4x the morale %= Auto-Surrender & Total victory.

    [ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Silvio Manuel ]<hr></blockquote>

    SM,

    Thanks, man. I figured somebody had to know. smile.gif

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    The Newbie Tournaments

    in Combat Mission Archive #3 (2001)

    Posted

    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lord Dragon:

    OK,

    Heres goes.....

    Any of the alternates want to play me a game tonight? tcp/ip preffered. But whatever works.

    Anyone?....Anyone?....Anyone?<hr></blockquote>

    LD,

    It may not matter, but the Alternates are all involved in the Alterna Bowl. I just wanted to let you know, just in case you were thinking they were twiddling their thumbs.

    Now, on the hand, the Loser Pile (of which you are a Charter Member ;) ) is ripe for competition.

    [ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: SuperTed ]</p>

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    The Newbie Tournaments

    in Combat Mission Archive #3 (2001)

    Posted

    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Splash:

    Thanks there Ted!

    I thought for sure Dunsel had won!

    If that's what victory feels like! Whoa!

    Did I mention I shot 18 of my own men!

    If I recall it was

    AX - 81 C. 26 KIA? and 29 OK

    AL - 105 C! 23 KIA 39 OK

    I tried to predict the final score by what Ted gave us and I was wildly off. What is interesting is that even - Did I mention I shot 18 of my own men! - with this they were probably mostly C's.

    Whereas I managed to isolate 2 of Dunsel's Plt's. for consecutive kills - that is-- they were killed with no back up or too late a back up - thereby rendering a higher kill rate - I guess.

    This is hypothetical. What do you think Ted?

    I'm willing to believe that kind of simulation -- if so it's impressive.

    The whole kill vs casualty modelling -- what is that?

    Also the game ended with the 18th movie -- I was not fully exited and worried about a lonely member of one PHQ who was deeply weary. Kind computer?<hr></blockquote>

    Splash,

    Did you shoot those before or after the battle was over? ;)

    I believe casualties are tracked throughout the course of the scenario and a formula is used to determine the number of KIAs. In all likelihood, there is some variation in the the formula, so the same numbers are not always generated.

    The scenario will end if both sides reach a certain low global morale level. I always thought it was 15%, but yours was 22% and Pfc. Dunsel's was 17%. So, it must be "around" 20%.

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