Erwin.Rommel

I don's expect the same results all the time, I just don's expect the impossible results that indicated by various resouce of WWII armor and ammo(especially the Lorin's book, Lorin play a very important role in the establishment of the armor system used by CM) happen in the game.

the T34/76 in 1944 used the blunt nose BR350B APBC, according to lorrin's book, the russian APBC have better porformance with FHA than RHA(no better than the APCBC used by german and other western countries),

The penetration on the glacis was achieved by the 85mm APBC which is not around the bow maching gun or the edge of the armor. How to explain?

Just did some further tests about the T-34/76 and MarkIV(J), range is about 600m. all hits on the hull front achieved completely penetration. see the picture below

The tests of Kubinka are the well-knowned un-reliable tests of the WWII gun and armor, because the Russians used all kinds of guns repeatly shoot the same place(especially the upper hull front and turret front) of Kingtiger 102 and achieved the penetration. And according to the lorrin's book, the russian 122mm can not penetrate the turret front of Kingtiger even at point blant as showed in the CMBB

About the Ogledów, according to the <tigers in combat I> 12 August 1944: The attack is stopped in face of strong resistance. Only 8 tanks are operational. A hidden T-34/85 of the 53rd Guards Tank Brigade ambushes them near Obledo and knocks out several Tiger lIs (3 tanks are totally destroyed). The ammunition stowed inside the turrets causes fatal explosions, killing many crewmembers. Following this, no 8.8-centimeter main-gun ammunition is stowed in the turret any more, reducing the stowage to 68 rounds. The 1./schwere Panzer-Abteilung 501 is entrained at Ohrdruf, heading for the battal- Ion. 13 August 1944: Heavy fighting and further losses. 1 tank-Tiger 002-is captured intact by the enemy. Mid-August 1944: Minor skirmishes. The tanks receive new final drives. 22 August 1944: Preposterous employment near Radom (Prusy and Bidziny), right into infantry strongpoints. Soon afterwards, an engagement in terrain unfavorable for tanks, due to which several Tigers are damaged. The battalion commander is relieved and is reported to have links to the 20 July 1944 conspiracy. Major Saemisch becomes the new commander. 1 September 1944: 26 Tigers operational. Assigned to the XXXVIII. Panzer-Korps. September 1944: The 3./schwere Panzer-Abteilung 501 arrives in the KielceOstrowieze- Busco area. During an unsuitable mission-an attack along a forest trail-the battalion suffers losses. Total tanks: 53. No records of skirmishs between Kingtiger and IS-2 as well as the picture evidences that kingtier been destroy by IS-2 frontally.

the BHN has already been calculated in the armor system in CMAK and CMBB.

About the penetration on the upper hull front of panther, I used the pantherG. the shells are regular AP rounds, all penetration achieved at 600m. about the penetration on the lower hull front I used all version of panther. the fire range is 200-700m.

Just play the CMRT, find some increditable phenomenon that never seen in the CMBB CMBN or CMFI and not comform to the tests about ammo and armor of wwII. 1# 122 AP easily penetrated the lower hull front(100mm/50) and the partial penetrated the turret front of Kingtiger(180-185mm/10) beyond 600m , this never happen in the CMBB and never happen in the WWII. 2# russian 76mm AP too often partial penetrate the upper hull front(80mm) of IV tank,this also never happen in the CMBB, the point blank penetration depth with RHA of russian 76mm AP is about 81mm, then how could this happen, amore qulity low? 3# russian 85mm AP too powerful against the upper hull front of panther, just a few tests, I see 4 penetration, 2 around the bow machine gun, 1 near the edge of plate(these 3 penetratio are logical), but one in the center of the plate(non-sense for this penetration, I take the screenshot for it). 4# russian 85mm AP easily penetrate the lower hull front beyond 600m, but in the same tests in CMBN an CMFI, US 76mm could not penetrate the same place, US 76mm AP is more powerful than 85mm AP according to most of the resources. So BFC, how to explain this? how much you get from Vladimir Putin(this is just a joke)?

you got my point.

After I watch the preview video of the CMRT, the effect of the decal is brillant except the shape of the decal on the sloped armor, many historical pictures of the WWII shows that the shape of decals on the sloper armor were irregular, however in the video the decals on the sloped armour is circular as on the vertical armor. Can we get a improvement of this feature in the released version? the picture attched is a decal on the upper hull front of T34/85

thanks for your good mod, but it seems there is a little bug with the no zeltbahn mod, when I installed this,most of the zeltbahn at shoulder height disappeared as intended, but a few soldiers still got zeltbahn with dark color at the shoulder height and the model flickers or disappear and re-appeared if you see from some certain distance and angel. don't know why, it seems something wrong with the alpha channel. You can check this in the mission platoon patrol

1.the Panzer VI J(late) still has the shadow of the Schurzen when the Schurzen was randomly absent. 2.the Sdkfz 250/1 have the model of MG34 but in fact equiped with MG42. the same problem also exist with the Sdkfz 251/1©, the model of the machine gun is MG42, but it should equiped with MG34 which showed in the UI.

If you used the British 75mm or 75mm used by early version of US Sherman which don't have blast charge, you will see more penetration

I played some battle with JPIV against Sherman, I always have some bad experience that my JPIV always easily been knock out by 75mm though the penetration or partial penetration in the lower front hull. But I have never seen any penetration in the lower front hull of Panther G which should have the same protection with JPIV(50mm/50). So I did a simple test with these two vehicle against 75mm fire from 300m. For the panther, among 30 hits on the lower front hull, 0 penetration or partial penetration was achieved just some occasional armor spalling with no harm. But for the JPIV, things are completely different, among 30 hits on the lower front,10 penetration or partial penetration in the lower front and the rest non-penetrated hit always cause armor spalling and the JPIV always end with been knock out in the test. The game manual don't mention any armor flaw in the lower font hull of JPIV and the 75mm can not penetrate the thickness of 50mm/50 theoretically. So how to explain the vast difference? Ps: I used the British Sherman that fire AP without explosion charge in the test, the AP with explosion charge used by US seems achieved less penetration in the same situation in the further tests, Is that means the British used m72 AP which more effective against rolled homogeneous armor and US used the m61 APCBC which more effective against face harden armor in the game? but this still can not explain the difference between the pantherG and JPIV.

Another similar bug both in the CMFI and CMBN is the model of 251/1© get a MG42 but in fact the vehicle used the MG34

The game model of the 250/1 has a MG34, but in fact, the vehicle used the MG42(also in the UI).

Sorry the bug is appear in the SDKFZ 7/2 not 7/1

Double posting. Please delete this post!

just a little visual bug, the second road wheel(the first outer road wheel) on the right side of the vehicle is not rotating when the vehicle is on the move. possibe fix in the up-coming update?

Hey steve, I recall in the CMSF, infantry team go though open ground in formation line, however in the CMBN and CMFI, they go through all place with formation column. I don't call for the manually changed formation system to be added to the game. But can we get a new feature in the future update that the infantry squad move in line in some open ground then the TacAI can automatically change to column in the narrow places such as the urban area?

See this picture

Just a question, in the CMAK CMBB,the FLAK36 37mm is L57, but in the CMFI, the FLAK36 become the L98, the wiki show it should be the L57, so which is wrong?

In the game, the FG42 use the same sound with the K98K, steve, could you improved this in the next patch?

1.about the type of bunker I am absolutely sure that I have correctly chosen the right type of bunker(the MG42 bunker,not the shelt bunker). 2. about the semi-deployed I just re-check the test, the reason that the UI of the MG team showed the semi-deployed is that I also deployed a FO team in the bunker. when I removed this FO, the UI doesn't show the semi-deployed anymore, but this change exert no effect on the results. 3. I re-test the map many time. the results are same as I depicted in this topic.