Der Alte Fritz Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hi has anyone got an OOB for this Division just before the start of Operation Bagration? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagge Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 -195th infantry regiment -215th infantry regiment -14th infantry regiment -178th artillery regiment -178th reconnaissance battalion -178th anti-tank battalion -178th engineer battalion -178th signal battalion -178th field replacement battalion -178th divisional supply troops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Alte Fritz Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 I have the following: 78th Sturm Division: Sturm Regt 14, 195 and 215 StuG Abt 189 (31 StuG IIIG) Granatwerfer Bn 5 (36 x 120mm mortar) Aufkl Kompanie 178 Fusilier Bn 260 Artillery Regt 178 Pz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagge Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Late in july 1944 the 543rd Grenadier division was absorbed to the 78th Infantry division (that was renamed to 78th Sturm division in 1.1.1943). Might your OOB include troops from the 543rd Grenadier division? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Alte Fritz Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 The OOB of battle I have to date for 1st June 1944 is: 78th Sturm Division: Sturm Regts 14, 195 and 215: --------------------------------------------------------------- Sturmregiment: 2 Sturm battalions (Kompanies 1-4 and 5-8) 1st Kompanie (Sturm) 309 men, 2 HMG, 22 LMG, 6 x 75mm PAK, 2 x 82mm mortars 2nd and 3rd Kompanie as above 4th Kompanie (Support) ???? mortars, ????HMG 9th Kompanie (Schwere) ???? 10th Kompanie (Pionere) ????? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aufkl Kompanie 178 ??????? Fusilier Battalion 260 ??????? Artillery Regt 178 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 3 Abt each 3 battery of four guns?????? --------------------------------------------------------------- PzJg Abt 178 (2 Kompanie PzJgIV) Pioniere Bn 178 (2 Kompanie Pionier) Flak Abt 178 ?????????????? Nebelwerfer Abt 178 ????????????? Feldersctz Bn 178 ???????????????? Schwere Flak Abt 293 (2 battery 88mm plus 20mm Flak)????????? StuG Abt 189 (31 StuGIIIG) 27 available on 22/6/44 ------------------------------------------------------------ attached units: Sturm Bn (AOK4) Pionere Bn 752 (AOK Reserve) Pz Auf Abt 125 (25th Pz Gr Div) Grenadier Regt 480 (260 Inf Div) III/Sich Bn (286 Security Division) after 22nd June, the 78th Sturm was virtually destroyed in the inital attack and the following retreat so that it was then re-organised and absorbed several other shattered formations. This OOB pre-dates the attack and seems to be the OOB used from late 1943 onwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Alte Fritz Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 A member of the Axis History Forum has sent me the offical OOB for 78th Sturm Division dated 1st June 1944: 78th Sturm Division: Sturm Regts 14, 195 and 215: --------------------------------------------------------------- Sturmregiment: 2 Sturm battalions (Kompanies 1-4 and 5-8) 1st Kompanie (Sturm) 309 men, 2 HMG, 6 LMG, 2 x 82mm mortars 2nd and 3rd Kompanie as above 4th Kompanie (Support) 7 x 82mm mortars, 9 x HMG 4 x 20mm Flak 13th Kompanie (Schwere) 2 x150 Infantry Gun 4 x 75 IG 14th Kompanie (PzJg) 9 x 75mm PAK 15th Kompanie (Pionere) 2 x HMG 9 x LMG 6 smoke generators ----------------------------------------------------------------- Artillery Regt 178 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 3 Abt each 3 batteries of four 105mm howitzers and 1 Abt of 3 battery of four 155mm howitzers (36 105mm and 12 155mm) --------------------------------------------------------------- PzJg Abt 178 (2 Kompanie each 9 x Marder II and 2 x 88mm AT guns) Pioniere Bn 178 (2 Kompanie Pionier, each 1 HMG 6 LMG 1 x 82mm mortar) Brk Sturm Bn 78 (1-3 Kompanie 2 HMG, 11 LMG, 2 x 82mm and 2 x 50mm mortar)(4th Kompanie 2 HMG, 8 LMG 4 x120mm moratr and 2 x 20mm AA) Schwere Granat Werfer Bn 5 (motor) 2 batteries each 12 x 120mm mortar Flak Abt 178 2 schwere batteries each 8 x 88mm Flak and 3 x 20mm Flak and 1 medium battery of 11 x 20mm flak StuG Abt 189 (31 StuGIIIG) 27 available on 22/6/44 Felders Bn 178 (replacement Bn) Nebelwerfer Abt 178 (not on organisation chart 1/6/44) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ attached units: Schwere Flak Abt 293 (2 battery 88mm plus 20mm Flak) Sturm Bn (AOK4) Pionere Bn 752 (AOK Reserve) Pz Auf Abt 125 (25th Pz Gr Div) Grenadier Regt 480 (260 Inf Div) Fusilier Battalion 260 (260 Inf Div) III/Sich Bn (286 Security Division) This is a great unit with some really exotic OOB in 1943 but by 1944 it was becoming more like a standard infantry division albeit a strong and well equipped one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Alte Fritz Posted April 6, 2010 Author Share Posted April 6, 2010 What about the Russian attackers. In short the 78th Sturm had four battalions in the front line (river): 78th Sturm Bn, 2/195th, (Orscha Road,) 1/195th, 1/215th which was hit by entire 11 Guards Army plus 71st Rifle Corps from 31st Army that is 36 Rifle Regt (about the same strength as a German Sturm Battalion) or odds of about 9 to 1. The attackers had about 200 plus tanks/SP guns as part of the assault. The German defenders held this attack in the HKL line for about 2 days before they were outflanked by the 11th Guards Rifle Division which had infiltrated the line through woods and peat bogs to the north. The Germans then pulled back to their rear lines. Russian forces: 22nd June (Glantz) 3rd Belorussian Front 11th Guards Army 8 Guards Rifle Corps 5 Guards Rifle Division 26 Guards Rifle Division 83 Guards Rifle Division 16 Guards Rifle Corps 1 Guards Rifle Division 11 Guards Rifle Division 31 Guards Rifle Division 36 Guards Rifle Corps 16 Guards Rifle Division 18 Guards Rifle Division 84 Guards Rifle Division 152 Fortified Region 149 Gun Artillery Brigade 117 High-power Howitzer Artillery Brigade 523 Corps Artillery Regiment 8 x 122mm G plus 8 x 152mm GH 1093 Corps Artillery Regiment 8 x 122mm G plus 8 x 152mm GH 1165 Corps Artillery Regiment 8 x 122mm G plus 8 x 152mm GH 1 Guards Antitank Artillery Brigade 48 x 76mm plus 24 x 57mm 551 Tank Destroyer Regiment 20 x 76mm 226 Special-power Artillery Battalion 245 Special-power Artillery Battalion 316 Special-power Artillery Battalion 402 Heavy Gun Artillery*Division 406 Heavy Gun Artillery*Division 545 Mortar Regiment 11 Guards Mortar Brigade (7 Guards Mortar Division) M30 24 Guards Mortar Brigade (7 Guards Mortar Division) M30 42 Guards Mortar Regiment M13 67 Guards Mortar Regiment M13 317 Guards Mortar Regiment M13 34 Antiaircraft Artillery Division 16 x 85mm plus 72 x 37mm plus 52 x HMG 48 Antiaircraft Artillery Division 16 x 85mm plus 72 x 37mm plus 52 x HMG 1379 Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 1383 Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 1389 Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 1395 Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 231 Guards Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 1277 Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 1278 Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 2011 Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 1280 Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 2 Guards Tank Corps 4 Guards Tank Brigade 25 Guards Tank Brigade 26 Guards Tank Brigade 4 Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade 401 Guards SU Regiment 1500 Guards SU Regiment 273 Mortar Regiment 79 Motorcycle Battalion 28 Guards Mortar Battalion 1695 Antiaircraft Artillery Regiment 120 Tank Brigade 35 Separate Guards Tank Regiment* 63 Separate Guards Tank Regiment 148 Separate Tank Regiment 517 Separate Tank Regiment (flame and minesweeping) 345 Heavy Guards SU Regiment 348 Heavy Guards SU Regiment 1435*Heavy*SU Regiment 2 Guards Assault Engineer-Sapper Brigade 66 Engineer-Sapper Brigade 517 Flamethower Regiment 13th Separate FT Bn 185th Separate Knapsack FT Co 186th Separate Knapsack FT Co 31st Army 71st RC 88th RD 192nd RD 331st RD 213rd TB 213 тбр, 926th SAUR 926, 927, 959, 1445 сап 21 927th SAUR 21 959th SAUR 21 1445th SAUR 21 52nd Armoured Train 52 одн брп 140th Gun Artillery Bde 140 пабр, 24 x152mm GunHow and 12 x 122mm guns 43rd AT Artillery Bde 43 иптабр, 20 x 57mm and 40 x 76mm guns 83rd Guards Howitzer Regt 83 гв. гап, 24 x 152mm how 570th Corps Artillery Regt 570 кпап 16 x 122mm guns 392nd Corps Artillery Regt 392 кпап 16 x 122mm guns 529th AT Regt 529 иптап 20 x 76mm guns 549th Mortar Regt 549 минп 36 x 120mm M 74th Guards Rocket Regt 74 гв. Мп 24 x M13 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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